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(Original post by The Ace is Back)
We could do that, but it wouldn't work. So I think making them richer is the lesser of two evils.
how do you propose to make them richer? by taking money from those currently richer than them?

please dont make me start calling you names
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I was talking about Africans.. but there are those in the UK who are poor relative to the rest of us. We should give them the opportunities to become rich, and if they choose to squander those, then **** 'em.
the opportunities afforded to the UKs "poor" still far exceed those that could only be dreamed of by most of the worlds population. people here would do well to remember that before getting out the excuse book for their failure to succeed in life.
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We could do that, but it wouldn't work. So I think making them richer is the lesser of two evils.
What about "making them richer"? That doesn't seem to work either.

Slavery would work. Just think about it. Thousands of people infinately better off and better looked after than they were when they were starving to death and lots of cheap (free actually) labor to boost the economy. Plus I wouldn't have to waste my precious time on all those irritating household chores like weeding, cooking, taking out the trash, and such like. Its a win-win proposition.
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how do you propose to make them richer? by taking money from those currently richer than them?

please dont make me start calling you names
Yes, to provide them with a basic education and affordable healthcare and medication. It's already done here in the UK (it's called 'society'), so I don't see why we shouldn't do it for the Africans. Once they're up and running (after we've overthrown the current regimes and established relatively free markets and democracy, as well as nationalised the pharmaceutical companies), it will benefit the world and we can stop squandering our money on them. I see it as a long term investment with good returns. After a while, we'll finally be able to stop throwing away our taxpayers' money to corrupt regimes - which is surely something you would endorse?
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Once they're up and running (after we've overthrown the current regimes and established relatively free markets and democracy, as well as nationalised the pharmaceutical companies), it will benefit the world........
So basically when hell freezes over then.
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the opportunities afforded to the UKs "poor" still far exceed those that could only be dreamed of by most of the worlds population. people here would do well to remember that before getting out the excuse book for their failure to succeed in life.
Some kid brought up on a council estate in a single-parent family (mother on drugs/alcohol or something) with about 10 siblings who is forced to go to the most gritty comprehensive school in the area and receive his education among some of the most undesirable human beings this country churns out year after year, hasn't exactly got all the opportunities in the world at his disposal. He'll probably end up on the streets - can you honestly say that's his fault? It's great that you've adopted the British stiff upper lip characteristic of most Tories in the 19th century, but sometimes it's ok to be honest.
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It's already done here in the UK (it's called 'society'), so I don't see why we shouldn't do it for the Africans
it isn't up to us. if they cant do it for themselves they'll never manage any system we impose.
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So basically when hell freezes over then.
Hey, we can only try eh....
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it isn't up to us. if they cant do it for themselves they'll never manage any system we impose.
Most of the countries we've involved ourselves in and left behind seem to be doing rather well for themselves (the US, Canada and Australia spring to mind, among others.
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Hey, we can only try eh....
Or we could not.
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Some kid brought up on a council estate in a single-parent family (mother on drugs/alcohol or something) with about 10 siblings who is forced to go to the most gritty comprehensive school in the area and receive his education among some of the most undesirable human beings this country churns out year after year, hasn't exactly got all the opportunities in the world at his disposal. He'll probably end up on the streets - can you honestly say that's his fault? It's great that you've adopted the British stiff upper lip characteristic of most Tories in the 19th century, but sometimes it's ok to be honest.
still they get an education and if they go to school and want to learn they'll be very much able to succeed in life. its their choice. but i like your patronising tone towards those who go to a crappy comprehensive...almost as if you expect them to fail from the start - but as you expect it and dont blame them its ok.

i take it you vote labour and have too many socialist thoughts for your own good?

if they weak and fail it is their fault.
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What about "making them richer"? That doesn't seem to work either.

Slavery would work. Just think about it. Thousands of people infinately better off and better looked after than they were when they were starving to death and lots of cheap (free actually) labor to boost the economy. Plus I wouldn't have to waste my precious time on all those irritating household chores like weeding, cooking, taking out the trash, and such like. Its a win-win proposition.
This is true for us as the ruling classes, but unfortunately we must bear in mind the opinions and thoughts of the masses (who make up a substantial proportion of the electorate), who will object not only on moral grounds but also in defence of their jobs which will be undermined by this influx of cheap labour. Potentially, we might be have a multicultural rebellion on our hands, once the Africans are imported.
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Most of the countries we've involved ourselves in and left behind seem to be doing rather well for themselves (the US, Canada and Australia spring to mind, among others.
Difference being that all of the countries you mention were colonized by Brits who quickly became the majority populatiion and then decided they wanted independence from the Empire so in effect we left Brits in charge of a Brit population. The same cannot be said of anywhere in Africa.
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Most of the countries we've involved ourselves in and left behind seem to be doing rather well for themselves (the US, Canada and Australia spring to mind, among others.
quite a different scenario though. in those instances it was people from these shores who went, or were forced, to go and set up new colonies.

in africa it was only ever the white european going in to often established countries or systems and saying "here's how its going to be my dark skinned friend".
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still they get an education and if they go to school and want to learn they'll be very much able to succeed in life. its their choice. but i like your patronising tone towards those who go to a crappy comprehensive...almost as if you expect them to fail from the start - but as you expect it and dont blame them its ok.

i take it you vote labour and have too many socialist thoughts for your own good?

if they weak and fail it is their fault.
I would vote, if I wasn't 16, and just to let you know, I wouldn't vote Labour if you held a gun to my head (well, in that situation I'd probably consider it, but as a general rule no). Who do you vote for then? BNP? Last time I checked the Conservatives weren't this out of touch.

I think you fail to realise the importance in education of a stable family and a sound working environment. Nurture matters, as does nature. If you're brought up by a mum who clearly does not give a sh*t, taught by teachers who a) don't know what they're talking about and b) don't give a damn, and you're friends with various other children doomed to failure, the realistic opportunities, as far as I can tell, are nil.
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The same cannot be said of anywhere in Africa.
You'll never know until you try it. Invade Africa I say!
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Or we could not.
That's a rather productive comment coming from you, congratulations.
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You'll never know until you try it. Invade Africa I say!
Imperialist pig.
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Do you people not realise that helping the poor would benefit ourselves in the long run? We would cut crime and visual pollution by about 75+%, we could freely walk the streets once again without fear of stabbings and the like, and the country would improve economically, thus meaning more to spread around for everyone.
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Imperialist pig.
Heheh, although on a more serious note, I don't see why not, given the recent unwarranted invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan undertaken by Bush and Blair.
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