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STEP content, breadth or depth?

Now, for STEP III, I've not covered all the material needed to do the Mechanics or Statistics section of the paper.
I have however done M3, which leaves me with M4, M5, S3 and S4 left to do.
Would it be better to completely cover Mechanics or Statistics and then dedicate time to those questions, and ignore the other, for example, covering all of Mechanics, and completely ignoring the Statistics questions in favour of concentrating on Mechanics practice, but limiting myself to core and Mechanics, or to go over both sides at the disadvantage of not having spent as much time on an individual section but having more questions to choose from?

Thanks!
Considering you've done M3, some of the Mechanics questions will already be accessible to you. Covering M4 and M5 may be advantageous, but it will depend on how much time you have. 11 Questions (8 pure + 3 mechanics) should easily be enough choice to get the 4 required good answers for a 1.

However, if you have a choice between doing STEP questions or learning mechanics, do the practice questions, because for STEP it is much better to have an strong grasp of some things, rather than a weak understanding of lots of things, as most of the marks come from the later parts of the questions.
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Original post by the_flying_walrus
Considering you've done M3, some of the Mechanics questions will already be accessible to you. Covering M4 and M5 may be advantageous, but it will depend on how much time you have. 11 Questions (8 pure + 3 mechanics) should easily be enough choice to get the 4 required good answers for a 1.

However, if you have a choice between doing STEP questions or learning mechanics, do the practice questions, because for STEP it is much better to have an strong grasp of some things, rather than a weak understanding of lots of things, as most of the marks come from the later parts of the questions.


I've ticked off what I've done and marked what I still need to learn on the STEP specification found in the Siklos booklet, and there's only a few things left to do, relative motion, moment of inertia and motion of a rigid body about a fixed axis. So from what you're saying, I should just focus on getting a good grasp of these, practice the STEP questions and ignore the rest of mechanics in M4 and M5?
Assuming you've done the pure, it would be better to do past papers instead of learning new material.
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Original post by aMathsStudent
Assuming you've done the pure, it would be better to do past papers instead of learning new material.


Even though I've pretty much completed half of the mechanics section?
Reply 5
Original post by ShionxMion
Now, for STEP III, I've not covered all the material needed to do the Mechanics or Statistics section of the paper.
I have however done M3, which leaves me with M4, M5, S3 and S4 left to do.
Would it be better to completely cover Mechanics or Statistics and then dedicate time to those questions, and ignore the other, for example, covering all of Mechanics, and completely ignoring the Statistics questions in favour of concentrating on Mechanics practice, but limiting myself to core and Mechanics, or to go over both sides at the disadvantage of not having spent as much time on an individual section but having more questions to choose from?

Thanks!


I completely ignored the mechanics questions and the STEP III stats questions when I took STEP because I hadn't learnt the material for A levels - I think if you spend enough time with the pure material you can be well-prepared enough for the exam to feel happy trying 6 out of 8 pure questions.
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Original post by Mark13
I completely ignored the mechanics questions and the STEP III stats questions when I took STEP because I hadn't learnt the material for A levels - I think if you spend enough time with the pure material you can be well-prepared enough for the exam to feel happy trying 6 out of 8 pure questions.


Thanks for the feedback, seeing how you're at Cambridge now I'll definitely take this into consideration.
Original post by ShionxMion
Thanks for the feedback, seeing how you're at Cambridge now I'll definitely take this into consideration.


You should as it's the right way to go if you want to guarantee your place at a top uni.

Rather audaciously, I attempted mechanics questions in STEP II and III, so got a 1 and a 2 when I was hoping for a grade higher in each :frown:. Consequently, I didn't get into Cambridge but still ended up at Imperial :biggrin:
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by ShionxMion
I've ticked off what I've done and marked what I still need to learn on the STEP specification found in the Siklos booklet, and there's only a few things left to do, relative motion, moment of inertia and motion of a rigid body about a fixed axis. So from what you're saying, I should just focus on getting a good grasp of these, practice the STEP questions and ignore the rest of mechanics in M4 and M5?


That's what I would do (and that's what I did). Usually the first two question will be relatively accessible, and so you'll be looking for two more good answers out of the remaining 6 to get a 1, and with a solid grasp of pure, you should be able to attempt 6 or 7 of the pure questions
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Original post by Indeterminate
You should as it's the right way to go if you want to guarantee your place at a top uni.

Rather audaciously, I attempted mechanics questions in STEP II and III, so got a 1 and a 2 when I was hoping for a grade higher in each :frown: Nevertheless, I got into my firm :biggrin:


I guess I will just stick with the knowledge that I got from M3 and perhaps finish off the mechanics on the side (not much left anyway) and only attempt the applied questions if I have the knowledge for them, that seems to be the best way after reading everyone's responses.
Pure is sexier after all.

Original post by the_flying_walrus
That's what I would do (and that's what I did). Usually the first two question will be relatively accessible, and so you'll be looking for two more good answers out of the remaining 6 to get a 1, and with a solid grasp of pure, you should be able to attempt 6 or 7 of the pure questions



That's brilliant, thanks also for your feedback.
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by ShionxMion
I guess I will just stick with the knowledge that I got from M3 and perhaps finish off the mechanics on the side (not much left anyway) and only attempt the applied questions if I have the knowledge for them, that seems to be the best way after reading everyone's responses.
Pure is sexier after all.




That's brilliant, thanks also for your feedback.


Really?

Well, I suppose you'd expect that from an applied mathematician :lol:
Reply 11
Original post by Indeterminate
Really?

Well, I suppose you'd expect that from an applied mathematician :lol:


Mechanics is my favourite applied, but pure easily comes out on top for me... that's not to say that mechanics isn't sexy, just not as sexy :lol:
Original post by ShionxMion
Now, for STEP III, I've not covered all the material needed to do the Mechanics or Statistics section of the paper.
I have however done M3, which leaves me with M4, M5, S3 and S4 left to do.
Would it be better to completely cover Mechanics or Statistics and then dedicate time to those questions, and ignore the other, for example, covering all of Mechanics, and completely ignoring the Statistics questions in favour of concentrating on Mechanics practice, but limiting myself to core and Mechanics, or to go over both sides at the disadvantage of not having spent as much time on an individual section but having more questions to choose from?

Thanks!


I wouldn't do any of that. There are sufficient Pure questions to keep you busy for 3 hours! Use your time to do as many past paper questions as you can rather than learning more material.
Reply 13
Original post by Mr M
I wouldn't do any of that. There are sufficient Pure questions to keep you busy for 3 hours! Use your time to do as many past paper questions as you can rather than learning more material.


Feedback from the Mr M, thanks very much to you too.
I'm pretty much leaning towards this (and will most likely do this) thanks to everyone else who replied too.
Thanks!
Original post by ShionxMion
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I'm ignoring all Mechanics & Stats as well. Learning new material is a waste of time at this point - the exam isn't soon but it isn't too far away either. Work on past papers and boss the pure section.
Reply 15
Original post by Lord of the Flies
I'm ignoring all Mechanics & Stats as well. Learning new material is a waste of time at this point - the exam isn't soon but it isn't too far away either. Work on past papers and boss the pure section.


When I took STEP there were often some pretty generous probability questions on II - I wouldn't write it off completely.
Original post by Mark13
When I took STEP there were often some pretty generous probability questions on II - I wouldn't write it off completely.


Nah, I like being stubborn.
Reply 17
Original post by Lord of the Flies
I'm ignoring all Mechanics & Stats as well. Learning new material is a waste of time at this point - the exam isn't soon but it isn't too far away either. Work on past papers and boss the pure section.


> Boss the pure section
You make it sound so easy :plz2:, though I've only start preparing 5 or so days ago.

Original post by Mark13
When I took STEP there were often some pretty generous probability questions on II - I wouldn't write it off completely.


Are there similar "gift" questions on III?
Reply 18
Original post by ShionxMion
> Boss the pure section
You make it sound so easy :plz2:, though I've only start preparing 5 or so days ago.



Are there similar "gift" questions on III?


The main thing about the probability questions on III is that they usually require more than just knowledge of S1 and S2, so you'd need to do some extra prep if you want to attempt them.
Original post by Mark13
The main thing about the probability questions on III is that they usually require more than just knowledge of S1 and S2, so you'd need to do some extra prep if you want to attempt them.
Actually, there's "usually" one STEP III probability question that doesn't require extra knowledge.

("Usually" in quotes because they have recently cut the number of stats questions per paper from 3 to 2, and so you're more likely to be unlucky now than in the past).

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