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UCL vs Imperial vs LSE

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Original post by alow
IC and LSE are definitely more prestigous that UCL in the subjects they offer.


I have no doubt that UCL is a great institution to attend but subjects such as Engineering, Maths or Economics are all harder to get into at IC and LSE respectively than UCL. UCL is great for the Arts and Medicine, the Arts obviously the first two don't offer.
Anyway, I'm not exactly certain on this but I've heard that UCL's slightly less ~respected~ than the first two when applying to highly competitive jobs, say in consulting or IB?
Imperial! Life sciences and medicine, natural sciences, engineering and technology :biggrin:
Reply 42
Most prestigious of these three is UCL, 4th best university in the world.
Reply 43
The '4th best in the world' thing comes from the THES ranking which uses very dubious weights to compute its ranking - a huge amount of a university's score comes from the percentage of international faculty it has, which gives an enormous advantage to UK universities compared to their US counterparts, since the UK is a smaller country and its universities tend to recruit from all across Europe (THES is UK based so its bias is understandable). If you actually sort the THES rankings based on relevant criteria (research/teaching/etc), the picture changes dramatically. Ditto if you look at rankings which dont include nonsensical criteria. UCL/LSE/Imperial are all great universities but the idea that any of them are better than any of Harvard/MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Caltech is pretty delusional.

If you want a more sensible picture of what universities are considered the best in the world, I would use the THES 'Reputation' table instead, which has a much better methodology since it just asks academics which universities they think are the best in their field, and combines this into a single table. The resulting ranking a lot closer to what most people would view as the best and most prestigious universities: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2014/reputation-ranking . This ranking is also worth looking at, since its basically the same thing but with employers asked instead: http://freepblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/25iht-sreducemerging25-graphic-popup.jpg

Realistically LSE/Imperial/UCL are all on a pretty similar level when it comes to prestige. They are all great universities but none really have a 'wow' factor among the general public - the gap between Oxbridge and everything else when it comes to prestige in the eyes of the general public is enormous, so arguing over which one of the London universities is most prestigious is a bit like arguing over which one of Hearts/Hibs/Aberdeen are the third most famous football team in Scotland. However in the eyes of employers/academics, all three are considered excellent and would be treated similar to Oxbridge within the UK for most purposes, except for jobs which are mainly about networking and social class (mainly just private equity, MBB, and some elite BigLaw, although not investment banking). LSE is the only one I would expect non-academics outside the UK to have heard of, although Imperial does have some prestige within India/China afaik.
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Reply 44
Is KCL still mentioned in the same breath as those in the poll?
Reply 45
Original post by Spairos
So this is not a ignorant post or something.
I would just like to listen to your opion:
Purely based on the general "prestige factor", which one receives the most "wow"s ?


Totally depends on the subject. If its Law or Econ, LSE. If its Medicine, its a toss up between UCL and Imperial.
Reply 46
Original post by ahllb
Is KCL still mentioned in the same breath as those in the poll?


Its a tier below. There is a gap between those 3 and KCL in nearly every ranking and has been like that for many years so yes there is a difference, although not too significant.
LSE for Economics, Finance and Political studies, Imperial for Medicine, Engineering and most Science disciplines and UCL for Medicine and all the subjects the other two can't provide.

Otherwise I would say all three are on par with each other in terms of international prestige which is measure on a lot more factors than silly rankings.
Original post by ukmed108
Its a tier below. There is a gap between those 3 and KCL in nearly every ranking and has been like that for many years so yes there is a difference, although not too significant.


Well if you want to study Dentistry and Nursing then yeah I'd go for kcl and Medicine too it ain't bad either.
Original post by Warrior King
LSE for Economics, Finance and Political studies, Imperial for Medicine, Engineering and most Science disciplines and UCL for Medicine and all the subjects the other two can't provide.

Otherwise I would say all three are on par with each other in terms of international prestige which is measure on a lot more factors than silly rankings.


I always thought LSE had the lead in international prestige?
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Original post by Warrior King
Well if you want to study Dentistry and Nursing then yeah I'd go for kcl and Medicine too it ain't bad either.


Of course, although student satisfaction at KCL for medicine is a bit low. KCL is good at some subjects but overall as a university its just not perceived the same, although i like the name King's College London over University College London.
Original post by ukmed108
Of course, although student satisfaction at KCL for medicine is a bit low. KCL is good at some subjects but overall as a university its just not perceived the same, although i like the name King's College London over University College London.


That's because I get the impression people perceive kings as rather big well biggest med school in Europe right? And rather bureaucratic, you feel like a small fish in a big pond.
Reply 52
Original post by Warrior King
That's because I get the impression people perceive kings as rather big well biggest med school in Europe right? And rather bureaucratic, you feel like a small fish in a big pond.


I think it is true to some extent. I wouldn't say its the biggest med school in Europe. Charles in Prague is huge they have like thousands of students. Students in the surveys complain about the quality and i'm sure it has something to do with the class size to teacher ratio.
Original post by yl95
I always thought LSE had the lead in international prestige?


Well no in every major ranking LSE is outranked by the other two who often appear in the top 10. If it were also measure on a prestigious factor like say number of Nobel laureates produced, affiliated etc then the latter two by far outrank LSE in that sense. And if you are an Engineer or Medic then LSE doesn't even figure into the equation so it would be a completely pointless comparison to make in that sense I.e. Saying you have more respect for the economist from LSE than the medic from UCL given you can't study Medicine at LSE.
Original post by ukmed108
I think it is true to some extent. I wouldn't say its the biggest med school in Europe. Charles in Prague is huge they have like thousands of students. Students in the surveys complain about the quality and i'm sure it has something to do with the class size to teacher ratio.


I'm sure I did read about kings being the largest, though that might be the hospital. I'm not sure. Yeah Wikipedia seems to say but then again it is Wikipedia.

True that contributes to satisfaction but I'm not so sure how many would really truly het being a kings for medicine given the history, the London factor, the clinical experience etc. Bureaucracy issues aside I think it's probably one of the best places to study medicine in the uk alongside the other London schools, Oxbridge and maybe Edinburgh but not because they produce better grads. Prospects a re the same everywhere med is med but it's the EXPERIENCE of studying at those institutions particularly Oxford or Cambridge. You just can't get that anywhere else in the country or even the world hence why a place like say Keele is less desirable.
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Original post by Warrior King
Well no in every major ranking LSE is outranked by the other two who often appear in the top 10. If it were also measure on a prestigious factor like say number of Nobel laureates produced, affiliated etc then the latter two by far outrank LSE in that sense. And if you are an Engineer or Medic then LSE doesn't even figure into the equation so it would be a completely pointless comparison to make in that sense I.e. Saying you have more respect for the economist from LSE than the medic from UCL given you can't study Medicine at LSE.


The world rankings give LSE a disadvantage so I wouldn't use them to gauge international reputation. LSE is also the alma mater of numerous political figures worldwide and CEOs, though.
I don't really know what point you're trying to make with the last sentence.
Original post by yl95
The world rankings give LSE a disadvantage so I wouldn't use them to gauge international reputation. LSE is also the alma mater of numerous political figures worldwide and CEOs, though.
I don't really know what point you're trying to make with the last sentence.


The point in trying to make is of that someone was interested in a Medicine and excelling in their field then naturally they would opt for Imperial over LSE given LSE doesn't have a medical school. You cannot therefore turn around and say that persons degree is worth less than an LSE degree as there's no way you can make that comparison between two institutions with such specialist interests.

Furthermore in academic reputation rankings the above two also outrank LSE. The three tend to be regarded on the same level. From a british political aspect Oxbridge is the place if choice.
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2014/reputation-ranking/range/01-50

This ranking places imperial above LSE which in turn outranks UCL by one position and this list is compiled from the opinions of senior academics etc. I stand by my point that the three universities enjoy a very prestigious reputation globally particularly in respective fields .
Original post by Warrior King
The point in trying to make is of that someone was interested in a Medicine and excelling in their field then naturally they would opt for Imperial over LSE given LSE doesn't have a medical school. You cannot therefore turn around and say that persons degree is worth less than an LSE degree as there's no way you can make that comparison between two institutions with such specialist interests.

Furthermore in academic reputation rankings the above two also outrank LSE. The three tend to be regarded on the same level. From a british political aspect Oxbridge is the place if choice.


Yeah but that's not what I'm talking about. All I'm talking about is the reputations of the universities as a whole, e.g. MIT has a better rep than Dartmouth

Really? From which rankings?...

Of course but LSE still has a lot of famous alumni who are politicians worldwide.
Reply 59
People on here are literally ridiculous. OP, go where you will be happiness, all three uni's are brilliant and your future prospects would not be significantly better at one over the other (except perhaps for sciences - Imperial is your best bet then.) Seriously, why are people deciphering over UCL and LSE? Reputation wise they are basically equal.

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