Are you voting for Ukip?

Reply 400

Ahem-

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Original post by kaytaylou

and you know that how?

Because its the most likely occurrence, second/third generation of immigrants.

Reply 401

danscott5696

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Original post by CJKay

Thank you for very effectively demonstrating my point.

Immigrants do not "take up" resources, jobs and the NHS. When an immigrant gets a job, is it their fault they went out to get a job, or your fault that you didn't?
You complain about immigrants taking up all the jobs, then simultaneously complain about immigrants all claiming benefits. Which is it, buddy?

that guy is obviously an idiot but just because some UKIP supporters are ignorant about the reasoning behind controlling immigration doesn't mean it needs to be controlled. All UKIP are proposing is that we take on migrants who have a skill who can be born anywhere, instead of just anyone that happens to be born in the EU. Shouldn't we try not to discriminate against people born in New Zealand for example compared to Portugese, Romanian whatever. Also UKIP want to cap immigration levels at around 50,000 which is what it always has been in this country post ww2 - its hardly a radical policy.

I do believe EU migration has had a positive effect on the economy with taxes being paid and immigrants working hard but its more to do with the long term goals. Do we want a country that in 10-15 years is close to a population too large for the UK?
Also 300k net immigration into the country doesnt allow for communities to integrate properly. The reason the other parties love immigration is because its great for big businesses as they can slash wages and get workers in from poorer countries who are really grateful for £8 an hour for example. Its not good for the people already here who then either have to accept they have a lower wage for the same job they have been doing or they lose their job entirely.
UKIP were also against the UK bombings in Libya that are a direct cause of the migrants on boats trying to leave a war torn country and dying in the process. The more you listen to UKIPs policies the more you realise they are a common sense party.
The trouble with young people especially TSR is they want 'nice' policies - e.g. scrap tuition fees, citizens wage, £10 per hour min wage (all green party policies). And of course this will be all borrowed money and of funnily enough young people will be paying for this national debt in the future.

Reply 402

chocolate hottie

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Original post by PowelliteScum :)

Cambridge student checking in. Might vote UKIP.

Join the People's Army and change the might to a will! :smile:

Are you voting in Cambridge? If so please give that tosser Julian Huppert a good kick in the gonads for me will you?

He has a face that needs punching, again and again and again...

Reply 403

Kaleyelizabeth96

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Original post by chocolate hottie

Join the People's Army and change the might to a will! :smile:

Are you voting in Cambridge? If so please give that tosser Julian Huppert a good kick in the gonads for me will you?

He has a face that needs punching, again and again and again...

I live in Cambridge and am voting for UKIP! Can't stand Huppert the Muppet! He got caught cycling over a red light the other day apparently, what a hypocrite...

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Reply 404

Crawfordladd17

Original post by spurs9393

The fact is, there is in truth very little difference between the Conservatives and UKIP. In fact, the membership of the EU is about the only difference. As a right-winger, I do like some of the Conservative's policies, however I just feel that UKIP are more serious about leaving the EU and reducing immigration to reasonable levels.

Really? There are loads of different.
This look at economies the Tories are no longer capitalist, they are crony capitalist and that is collectivist. The Tories do deals with big business that is not capitalist.
UKIP want to bring back grammar schools. Tories don't.
UKIP want to govern ourselves, the Tories don't.
UKIP want to punish criminals, Tories don't
UKIP want to cut foreign aid, Barnett formula, HS2 and the EU fee the Tories don't.
UKIP want to spend more on the military the Tories want to cut military spending. Just a few things there are more big differences.

Reply 405

Crawfordladd17

Original post by saahil0987

Fair enough, but when your senior MPs and leader make those remarks do you not feel it is slightly worse - I mean those people in the links are ridiculously stupid but none of those were similar to the decisions that could be made if Farage is put in charge.

I don't think he seems to understand that in order to survive in the world we need to co-operate with other nations.

-> Health tourism - complaining about HIV patients, yes this is unfortunate but when our NHS is that good you can hardly blame them.
-> Abandoning the EU - no more easy travel, less trade and less co-operation
-> Less foreign aid - As a wealthier nation it is our duty to help other less well off nations

-> It is a national health service not an international health service. If we didn't pay for the health tourism we could afford the NHS.
-> Oh no we might have to spend 10 minutes and get a visa. Less trade? Oh no less trade with all the power houses of Greece, Poland and Latvia. Instead we get to trade more with China, Japan, Brazil and the commonwealth. Why wouldn't they trade with us that is just silly you need to be in a political union to trade. They can't afford to.
Less co-operation again that is incorrect. We lose our seat at the World Trade Organisation so we would be more powerful.
We get to make our own laws, not have unelected people to make our own trade deals, immigration policy, fishing, regulation on businesses, be tougher on crime because we are too soft and the ECHR is not helping.

Reply 406

samon53

Original post by Crawfordladd17

Really? There are loads of different.
This look at economies the Tories are no longer capitalist, they are crony capitalist and that is collectivist. The Tories do deals with big business that is not capitalist.
UKIP want to bring back grammar schools. Tories don't.
UKIP want to govern ourselves, the Tories don't.
UKIP want to punish criminals, Tories don't
UKIP want to cut foreign aid, Barnett formula, HS2 and the EU fee the Tories don't.
UKIP want to spend more on the military the Tories want to cut military spending. Just a few things there are more big differences.

Oh come on these cries of Crony capitalism are silly for two reasons.

One UKIP are hardly any different when it come's to corruption and privatisation they may claim to be or say they are libertarians or whatnot but that doesn't make it true. They are false prophets and will lie and corrupt things exactly the same ways.

Two looking up some history or current academic or Alternative media thinking will plainly show you that Crony capitalism is the inherent result of capitalism always has been always will be. Capitalism has long outlived it's usefulness it's time to move on to socialism you'll see a lot more scope for a sustainable and free future. As anyone who has ever played monopoly can tell you no matter how the board assists you there is only ever one winner and things aren't very rosy for the losers.

Reply 407

saahil0987

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Original post by Crawfordladd17

-> It is a national health service not an international health service. If we didn't pay for the health tourism we could afford the NHS.
-> Oh no we might have to spend 10 minutes and get a visa. Less trade? Oh no less trade with all the power houses of Greece, Poland and Latvia. Instead we get to trade more with China, Japan, Brazil and the commonwealth. Why wouldn't they trade with us that is just silly you need to be in a political union to trade. They can't afford to.
Less co-operation again that is incorrect. We lose our seat at the World Trade Organisation so we would be more powerful.
We get to make our own laws, not have unelected people to make our own trade deals, immigration policy, fishing, regulation on businesses, be tougher on crime because we are too soft and the ECHR is not helping.

->Surely it would be a better idea to idk allow people with diseases that can't be treated elsewhere to get treatment and instead try to save money elsewhere
-> Yup, I was totally talking about trade with Greece, Poland and Latvia and defo not the economic powerhouse that is Germany, I presume that these 'own laws' will be made by UKIP hence I doubt it'll be very considerate on the environment or migrants

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Reply 408

HygieneTherapy15

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Nigel's is the only one who speaks sense. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't vote UKIP

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Original post by illegaltobepoor

Most UKIP voters don't have a brain so they stick to trolling on facebook. TSR is for intelligent students.

because national socialists are so much more intelligent ..

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SeaPony

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Original post by HygieneTherapy15

Nigel's is the only one who speaks sense. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't vote UKIP

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The reason why a lot of people don't vote UKIP is they have bought into the media propaganda machine which calls everyone racist for not saying what everyone else says.