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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    The EU is not the USSR. Pull yourself together.
    By definition its a socialist superstate, so yes it is.
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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    By definition its a socialist superstate, so yes it is.
    The EU is a political-economic union, the USSR was a single state focused on Marxist-Lenin principles.

    The EU isn't going to start mass-butchery, as you just implied, because it isn't run by a highly centralised government like the USSR was.
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    The EU is a political-economic union, the USSR was a single state focused on Marxist-Lenin principles.

    The EU isn't going to start mass-butchery, as you just implied, because it isn't run by a highly centralised government like the USSR was.
    It doesn't need to, that's why they are letting the jihadists in. Its called "order out of chaos" or "Divide and Conquer". When SHTF they can offer a solution but with the condition of a "Federal Europe"
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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    It doesn't need to, that's why they are letting the jihadists in. Its called "order out of chaos" or "Divide and Conquer". When SHTF they can offer a solution but with the condition of a "Federal Europe"
    So letting in a few jihadis among millions of refugees is as equal a threat compared to the USSR to its own people? Come on, what few jihadists there are amongst the immigrants pose a negligible threat to us. The Paris Attacks killed 138 people in total, whereas Al-Qaeda killed 2,996 people in 2001 - considered the two most sophisticated attacks against the west by each terror group respectively. The threat is low, and racist bigots like you who think we shouldn't stand up and help the less fortunate are responsible for catalysing this threat.
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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    No its brain dead morons like you that are killing this country.

    http://thedailyheckle.net/history/7-reasons-eu-old-ussr
    Says the 28 year old who is on the Student Room spamming Daily Mail and Daily Express articles.
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    Look back at the immigration the mid-20th century, Indian, Pakistani, Ugandan, Kenyan, Trinidad and Tobago - all of these immigrants made Britain the tolerant, multicultural place it is today.

    And this whole immigration to Europe is a massive propaganda victory against ISIS, these people are refuting ISIS and accepting democracy. Would you rather that most of the Muslim immigrants just joined the extremist group in response to being neglected by the west?
    Immigration is immigration. You find a job while at home country, apply for visa, then come. Refugees are refugees. They come anytime and might not find a job. Don't mix the two. You have been told this but it doesn't register in your mind.

    Isis can be defeated through military actions. Taking in excessive refugees is not required to defeat isis.

    But of course while you have bbeen rebuked, I won't be surprised you will just make the same point over and over later in this thread.

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    Cheap labour
    That's a good point. Can we put these refugees to work? In factories, manufacturing line or stuff

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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    Immigration is immigration. You find a job while at home country, apply for visa, then come. Refugees are refugees. They come anytime and might not find a job. Don't mix the two. You have been told this but it doesn't register in your mind.

    Isis can be defeated through military actions. Taking in excessive refugees is not required to defeat isis.

    But of course while you have bbeen rebuked, I won't be surprised you will just make the same point over and over later in this thread.

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    Are you kidding? Look at Al-Qaeda, despite murdering almost 3,000 Americans, they still exist 15 years on. We will never defeat ISIS by military means, and the population of Syria actively fleeing ISIS and rejecting their culture is a bigger attack on ISIS than any combination of airstrikes.
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    Are you kidding? Look at Al-Qaeda, despite murdering almost 3,000 Americans, they still exist 15 years on. We will never defeat ISIS by military means, and the population of Syria actively fleeing ISIS and rejecting their culture is a bigger attack on ISIS than any combination of airstrikes.
    Al Qaeda has already been defeated. They have no power to threaten europe anymore. That is enough. ISIS is just a matter of time before it collapse. And its actually easier to fight ISIS than Al Qaeda because they are an actual political power not a guerrilla squad.
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    Human nature unfortunately. Big Imperial empires have always played world domination games
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    That's a good point. Can we put these refugees to work? In factories, manufacturing line or stuff

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    Reopen the coal mines, maybe. Send them down to "work" there in exchange for asylum (Y)
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    It is both certainly a crisis and certainly self-inflicted. I can not understand the insanity of certain people who support this migration. Do they want Britain and countries like us to become over-crowded, third-world nations? We cannot and absolutely should not be expected to take any migrants that we don't want. We shouldn't even be taking refugees as we do not border nor are close to any war-troubled countries.
    Frankly, any action that could possibly happen now is far too little and far too late. Britain needs to leave the EU to have any chance of making this situation better. The EU will never let us halt migration to the level we want. Furthermore, I think Britain needs to take a serious look at its own defences - we should have look-out men posted along our coasts with armed guards nearby. Barbed fences are barely a deterrent. We will need proper, old-fashioned security to protect our country in the very near future.
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    Al Qaeda has already been defeated. They have no power to threaten europe anymore. That is enough. ISIS is just a matter of time before it collapse. And its actually easier to fight ISIS than Al Qaeda because they are an actual political power not a guerrilla squad.
    This is a joke right? Al-Qaeda co-ordinated the Charlie Hebdo attack, they have actively got a branch in Kenya - Al-Shabab.

    You can't defeat terrorism with military means because many terror attacks consist of 1-10 motivated individuals inspired by them, and not the militants fighting the war you are starting.
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    This is a joke right? Al-Qaeda co-ordinated the Charlie Hebdo attack, they have actively got a branch in Kenya - Al-Shabab.

    You can't defeat terrorism with military means because many terror attacks consist of 1-10 motivated individuals inspired by them, and not the militants fighting the war you are starting.
    Nope, they claim responsibility but it is disputed. If anything, its an even better reason to limit refugees and immigration not the other way round. Time to limit the damage , if we can't reverse it.

    I couldnt care if they got a branch in kenya, thats the kenyan's problem and responsibility to sort it out.

    Worse come to worse, we got the thermonuclear warhead, that will definitely solve the problem. once and for all.
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    Nope, they claim responsibility but it is disputed. If anything, its an even better reason to limit refugees and immigration not the other way round. Time to limit the damage , if we can't reverse it.

    I couldnt care if they got a branch in kenya, thats the kenyan's problem and responsibility to sort it out.

    Worse come to worse, we got the thermonuclear warhead, that will definitely solve the problem. once and for all.
    Right, so when Al-Shabab attack a shopping centre and kill western citizens as well as locals, suddenly it's not your problem?

    And the Charlie Hebdo shooting was done by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Kouachi brothers recruited for Al-Qaeda, they received training in an Al-Qaeda camp in Yemen.

    Furthermore limiting refugees won't do anything because Said and Cherif were FRENCH CITIZENS. banning all immigration won't stop terrorism
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    Right, so when Al-Shabab attack a shopping centre and kill western citizens as well as locals, suddenly it's not your problem?

    And the Charlie Hebdo shooting was done by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Kouachi brothers recruited for Al-Qaeda, they received training in an Al-Qaeda camp in Yemen.
    1)Its not something we can stop. Its something the kenyan's security forces can stop.

    2) Thats DISPUTED. But we ourselves are to blame, we should not have let the Kouachi brothers come in at the first place.
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    1)Its not something we can stop. Its something the kenyan's can stop.

    2) Thats DISPUTED. But we ourselves are to blame, we should not have let the Kouachi brothers come in at the first place.
    The Kouachi brothers were trained by and were members of Al-Qaeda. Counterterrorism failed to prevent it, but it shows that banning all immigrants will do nothing to stop it because Said and Cherif were French citizens.

    "Both brothers who carried out the attack against satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo last week travelled to Yemen via Oman in 2011 and had weapons training in the deserts of Marib, an al Qaeda stronghold, two senior Yemeni sources said on Sunday."

    This is far more solid than most ISIL-related attack claims.
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    The Kouachi brothers were trained by and were members of Al-Qaeda. Counterterrorism failed to prevent it, but it shows that banning all immigrants will do nothing to stop it because Said and Cherif were French citizens.

    "Both brothers who carried out the attack against satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo last week travelled to Yemen via Oman in 2011 and had weapons training in the deserts of Marib, an al Qaeda stronghold, two senior Yemeni sources said on Sunday."

    This is far more solid than most ISIL-related attack claims.
    The damage has been done and the terrorists have already acquired french citizenship. That is tragic, now we have to deal with enemies within our borders. But before that, if your candle fire has been blown out by the wind coming in from the window, would you close the window first or would you reignite the candle first?

    Counter terrorism clearly has failed and i am disappointed at that as well. It needs to be toughen up.
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    The Kouachi brothers were trained by and were members of Al-Qaeda. Counterterrorism failed to prevent it, but it shows that banning all immigrants will do nothing to stop it because Said and Cherif were French citizens.

    "Both brothers who carried out the attack against satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo last week travelled to Yemen via Oman in 2011 and had weapons training in the deserts of Marib, an al Qaeda stronghold, two senior Yemeni sources said on Sunday."

    This is far more solid than most ISIL-related attack claims.
    On a second read, I agree that we should not ban all immigrants, my view is that we dont ban immigrants, but only let in those who come through the legal process.

    This thread has nothing to do with proper immigrants, its about refugees. And I suggests we only take so much we can afford to concentrate on. Quality over Quantity. Taking in more refugees than we can afford is creating social unrest, just as the OP states. Shame some people does not care about the well being of the people already living in Europe.
 
 
 
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