British Muslim protest Westminster attack "Not in our name"

Who are they to tell us who is a true Muslim and who isn't, what authority do they have?

ISIS fighters do most the stuff ordinary Muslims do, besides killing people, obviously.

If a Christian sect were roaming around murdering innocents indiscriminately, I'd still consider them Christians.

****ing absurd.

In general I have positive views of Muslims, but if you don't think that Christians, particularly Protestants (including non-religious cultural Protestants) have a commitment to social reform including the creation of a mentality of intolerance towards perceived sources of social ills, you must be completely delusional.

Absolute crap. At one point the Islamophobes were saying Muslims should do more and now they do they still keep on crying. To be honest no one can win with the Islamaphobes if not one thing, they'll look for something else.

Excuse me? Where the **** is the relevance of that to my post?

Stop wasting my time.

Seems to me that the basic problem is the Quran. A book that was written in times when the world was completely different, a book that is contradictory and open to many different interpretations. Each Muslim takes what they want from the Quran to satisfy their own ideals and ignores the rest. It simply doesn't work. Change is needed for Islam to be accepted by the rest of the world. To do nothing but simply say that ISIS and other terrorists are nothing to do with Islam is not an option any more.

Until Muslims in general accept that Islam is a major factor in such attacks, and agree that the ambiguous rhetoric of some violent passages is directly used as justification, then yes, they need to do more.

Because as they say in AA, the first step in solving a problem is accepting that you have a problem.

What do you think should be done about GTA inspired violence?

I love when someone has no answer to a question that they simply deflect it with another question.

So, when these Muslims make a public statement against Islamist violence, your reaction is to condemn them as "not true Muslims".

I'm sure the irony isn't lost on people.

You're right. If Islam is so "peaceful" and the Muslim community so "good" then they need to snap out of their silence and take action against the barbarism they condemn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcwA4RwCV80

Muslims don't have to take the responsibility for actions of others just because they follow the same religion. It's like classifying someone's identity race-wise, just in this example, it's done dependant on what God someone follows.

well, classifying by religion is not similar to classifying by race : race is an objective criterion, which cannot be modified, while religious allegiance can

while I agree that Muslims diverge hugely in their way of life and even in their beliefs, they do share some rituals, a religious vocabulary, some holy texts and some final aims and objectives

they diverge hugely on ways and means to attain those objectives : however, they do have something in common.

And, even if most Muslims do not share in any responsibility for these attacks, Islam -by its rhetoric and its stated objectives - is not entirely innocent

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I'd also like to add that the fascist who killed Jo Cox was a patriot. He did what he did because he loves his country and wanted to defend it. You can be a patriot and do awful inhuman things.

Who are they to tell us who is a true Muslim and who isn't, what authority do they have?

ISIS fighters do most the stuff ordinary Muslims do, besides killing people, obviously.

If a Christian sect were roaming around murdering innocents indiscriminately, I'd still consider them Christians.

****ing absurd.

We don't want your damn credit.

You cannot punish someone in advance for a crime they may or may not commit...

Yes you can, it's called criminal conspiracy and attempt.

Governments since Tony Blair's time made a mistake letting loads of people into UK who neither had a skill or trade. They've since realized that and have now decided to limit immigration from EU and the blacklisted countries but embrace the commonwealth countries whose citizens speak English as their first language, respect the common law and believe in democracy. However I think it's a little too late for this manoeuvre. UK will need about 150 years or so to mitigate the mess that the previous governments have left behind. No one from the current government is going to step forward and assure the country that nothing of this nature will happen again.

It's pretty similar to the gun crime situation in america. Each time there's a shooting at a school or cinema etc, Obama comes out to condemn the act and sometimes cries on national tv. After a few days everything is back to normal and a few days later the shootings resume.

There is a very big problem in the UK and this forum doesn't allow us to discuss the issue freely. I suggest you drop the matter. The whole world except this forum knows what the problem facing UK is. Let it be.

You didn't ask a question, I did, you now seem to be avoiding it with deflection.

You may have clicked expecting to see such a protest, but I'm writing this post to draw attention to the lack of one.

If there was an LGBT atheist left-wing terrorist group, you can be damn sure I would be protesting against them and saying "Not in our name". Unfortunately demonstrations where "extremists" scream pro-Al Qaeda chants and call for the West to be destroyed are more common than organised protests by the British Islamic community against Islamist terrorism.

If such a protest goes ahead I will give credit where it is due, but I'm not holding my breath. It seems that Islamist pro-terrorism nuts don't have to pay much of a social price within the British Islamic community. They are not shunned and ostracised, they know that they won't have trouble finding arranged spouses for thier children, they know they don't have to worry that others within the community will say "Ohh, you're pro-terrorism. I will not do business with you".

The community does not impose such a price on the pro-terrorists within their midst. Instead, vast amounts of energy, money, time, resources are expended by groups like the Muslim Council of Britain in attacking anti-extremism programmes like Prevent, in advocating for Guantanamo Bay detainees, in protesting against "excessive" prison sentences for people convicted of terrorism offences, and of course in protesting British foreign policy where said policy interferes with their "brothers" internationally (for we, their fellow citizens, are not considered their brothers, and international coalition operations in that part of the world is said to be an "invasion of our lands" )

This must end. It is madness, and it cannot be said "It has nothing to do with us" until the Muslim community takes active steps to make sure these people really do have nothing to do with them because they are expelled from the mosques, they are social pariahs, people will not allow their children to marry extremist children and they will not conduct business deals with them. Money talks, ******** walks, and if we saw that kind of action against the pro-terrorists, the refrain "nothing to do with us" would be much more compelling

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It's a reasonable question, dunno why you can't just answer it.

No it's a pretty dumb question which doesn't deserve an answer.

ah whatever, you clearly can't answer it.

You may have clicked expecting to see such a protest, but I'm writing this post to draw attention to the lack of one.

If there was an LGBT atheist left-wing terrorist group, you can be damn sure I would be protesting against them and saying "Not in our name". Unfortunately demonstrations where "extremists" scream pro-Al Qaeda chants and call for the West to be destroyed are more common than organised protests by the British Islamic community against Islamist terrorism.

If such a protest goes ahead I will give credit where it is due, but I'm not holding my breath. It seems that Islamist pro-terrorism nuts don't have to pay much of a social price within the British Islamic community. They are not shunned and ostracised, they know that they won't have trouble finding arranged spouses for thier children, they know they don't have to worry that others within the community will say "Ohh, you're pro-terrorism. I will not do business with you".

The community does not impose such a price on the pro-terrorists within their midst. Instead, vast amounts of energy, money, time, resources are expended by groups like the Muslim Council of Britain in attacking anti-extremism programmes like Prevent, in advocating for Guantanamo Bay detainees, in protesting against "excessive" prison sentences for people convicted of terrorism offences, and of course in protesting British foreign policy where said policy interferes with their "brothers" internationally (for we, their fellow citizens, are not considered their brothers, and international coalition operations in that part of the world is said to be an "invasion of our lands" )

This must end. It is madness, and it cannot be said "It has nothing to do with us" until the Muslim community takes active steps to make sure these people really do have nothing to do with them because they are expelled from the mosques, they are social pariahs, people will not allow their children to marry extremist children and they will not conduct business deals with them. Money talks, ******** walks, and if we saw that kind of action against the pro-terrorists, the refrain "nothing to do with us" would be much more compelling