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E/z isomers vs cis trans

when do you use cis trans and when do you use e z
for example
if there are 2 same groups but 2 different groups
would you use e z or would you use cis trans
thanks x
^need help with this too acc i thought they were the same thing
Original post by feiow
when do you use cis trans and when do you use e z
for example
if there are 2 same groups but 2 different groups
would you use e z or would you use cis trans
thanks x


Original post by chocochip_
^need help with this too acc i thought they were the same thing


E-Z naming is the more modern version of trans-cis.

Z comes from the German "zusammen", meaning "together", so Z (or cis) isomers are where the smaller molar mass groups are on the same side across a feature with limited rotation (eg a double bond).

E comes from the German "entgegen", meaning "apart", so E (or trans) isomers are where the groups with smaller molar mass are on opposite sides across a double bond (or other feature with limited rotation).

It may be helpful to look at some images online. Google Images is your friend.
(edited 6 years ago)
My chemistry teacher remembers it by saying E-T phone home XD.
Reply 4
They are the same thing just cis and trans is the old fashioned name.
Reply 5
Most of the answers here are incorrect or miss information. The resource that best explained it to me was Chemguide.

A link to the Chemguide page on naming stereoisomers:
https://www.chemguide.co.uk/basicorg/isomerism/ez.html
For Chem AQA our teacher told us they no longer accept cis and trans as answers, you have to say E or Z isomers. Cis is E and trans is Z.
Original post by feiow
when do you use cis trans and when do you use e z
for example
if there are 2 same groups but 2 different groups
would you use e z or would you use cis trans
thanks x


Isn't cis trans an oxymoron? :s-smilie:
Reply 8
Original post by feiow
when do you use cis trans and when do you use e z
for example
if there are 2 same groups but 2 different groups
would you use e z or would you use cis trans
thanks x


Cis-trans isomerism is the "same" as E-Z isomerism. The difference is that E-Z uses precise rules to decide whether a molecule is E or Z. This isn't true for cis-trans and, because of this, cis-trans can't always be used. So the more modern Cahn-Prelog nomenclature was invented so that it is always clear which type of isomerism a molecule exhibits.
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Original post by K-Man_PhysCheM
E-Z naming is the more modern version of trans-cis.

Z comes from the German "zusammen", meaning "together", so Z (or cis) isomers are where the smaller molar mass groups are on the same side across a feature with limited rotation (eg a double bond).

E comes from the German "entgegen", meaning "apart", so E (or trans) isomers are where the groups with smaller molar mass are on opposite sides across a double bond (or other feature with limited rotation).

It may be helpful to look at some images online. Google Images is your friend.

dang this helps so much
i have an exam tomorrow and ima remember this

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