Is Farage a traitor to the United Kingdom and Queen?

No. i am far too intelligent and free thinking to be brainwashed! And yes, i do happen to believe that racism in the media does actually exist. Regarding the Royal family- net tax payers? from what particular jobs? Oh, you mean touring the world and smiling at people?

Wikipedia is not always factual is it.

I have. There are some good chats on a range of stuff about intelligent people and also about apologists for racism. What makes you think that you are not lost yourself?

At least Brexit has further exposed the political hypocritical parliament that we currently have. Why do people just pick on Farage- the system is a mess anyway.
Your happy to state your views on white south african well being. No statement on the Sharpeville incident from you though. . Interesting. You have strong stated views on the protection of white south Africans from being killed but not stating views on the murders of black South Africans.

At least Brexit has further exposed the political hypocritical parliament that we currently have. Why do people just pick on Farage- the system is a mess anyway.
Your happy to state your views on white south african well being. No statement on the Sharpeville incident from you though. . Interesting. You have strong stated views on the protection of white south Africans from being killed but not stating views on the murders of black South Africans.

More factual than the Canary or Skwarkbox.

Show me where I have spread apologia for racism in this thread.

One imagines that as @Napp's views on Tommeh the 5' 2" Patritwät and racism in general are well known, his anti-racist attitude would extend to opposing apartheid.

So you are extending matters to where you surmise Napp is going. He has evaded the points i have put to him regarding racism of white south Africans in Apartheid yet you seek to support him.

You havent made a single point you liar.
You have explicitly endorsed the brutal murder of white south african farmers saying they have it coming for "stealing black land" which is in itself a complete lie as well.

Do i detect an emotional outburst from you Mr Napp ?lol. Lying? really? there is no doubt that whites have claimed land illegally in Africa. That historically includes white South Africans! I repeat- I notice that your sense that of outrage does not extend to outrage and emotional outbursts against the white perpetrators of so many murders and other human rights abuses against black Africans in South Africa for centuries; i gave you one example - the Sharpeville shooting incident- which you have tactically ignored! I notice that you are commenting on an alleged post that i made without actually posting it word for word in this post, while having an emotional outburst, so that everyone can see what I actually posted! Its not me, Mr Napp , who is telling lies!

South Africa was actually uninhabited when it was first colonised by the White Boers. When the British Empire invaded the Boers and killed thousands of them they then brought in black people from other colonies as cheap labour in South Africa.

The British empire was basically the prototype for modern America.

Do i detect an emotional outburst from you Mr Napp ?lol. Lying? really? there is no doubt that whites have claimed land illegally in Africa. That historically includes white South Africans! I repeat- I notice that your sense that of outrage does not extend to outrage and emotional outbursts against the white perpetrators of so many murders and other human rights abuses against black Africans in South Africa for centuries; i gave you one example - the Sharpeville shooting incident- which you have tactically ignored! I notice that you are commenting on an alleged post that i made without actually posting it word for word in this post, while having an emotional outburst, so that everyone can see what I actually posted! Its not me, Mr Napp , who is telling lies!

Where did you get this fictional nonsense about "South Africa was actually uninhabited until the White boers......" How ridiculous and how can you mention colonisation in South Africa without mentioning the role of the Dutch, going back ti the 1600s at least!? We all know what the British Empire did across the globe. This is not news!

Yeah the boers are Dutch settlers. It’s mainstream history

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cape_Town

It was unoccupied. They had to import slaves from Asia to use as cheap labour - which I’m not defending- but it wasn’t a case that natives lived there and were conquered by whites.

A lot of this history is presented to be about how evil whites are rather than the correct view of how evil globalism is which is the basically what the British empire was the precursor of and which race doesn’t really play a part.

No. Colonisation of Africa is about racism. It is ridiculous to say " racism doesn't really play a part" Colonisation requires that the invader spreads lies about the humanity of the indigenous population- classic racism! Don't bother to try to rewrite history. And why believe everything written in Wikipedia- do sime cross checking and research of your own. If you do you might come across the quite outrageous exploitation of Africa by France for example !

I’m looking at the specific example of the settling of cape town by Dutch settlers which was unoccupied. Are you disputing this statement?

Was the colonisation of Africa driven by hatred of black people or the desire to make money? If we really hated them, why didn’t we kill them all which would have been quite possible?

The answer is of course about global capitalism. The British Empire committed all sorts of crimes against the Irish and Boers - despite many British citizens being Irish and the royal family being Dutch! The British Empire was opportunistic- it didn’t care what race you were as long as you supported global capitalism - same with the US.

Many were in fact killed during the racist exploitation of black Africans over the centuries in what should be described as the black holocaust of African slavery. Your argument about- "we" (whites? sounds like you might be white then? not African) could have killed them all is also a fallacy. Racism does not always involve killing or maiming people ,sometimes, as in African slavery, its about owning people and getting them to do the bidding of whites. Apartheid is a classic modern day example of white Dutch racism illegally enshrined in law. Of course it gave the Dutch racists an economic advantage but they needed the masses of black Africans and racist laws in order to keep the illegally and immorally acquired economic advantage.

South Africa was actually uninhabited when it was first colonised by the White Boers. When the British Empire invaded the Boers and killed thousands of them they then brought in black people from other colonies as cheap labour in South Africa.

The British empire was basically the prototype for modern America.

South Africa was populated by black tribes, such as the Zulu, Shona, Ndebele and Tswana. It was also populated by the Khoisan bushmen, who were nomads similar to gypsies in that they were discrimated against by settled tribes. I have no idea what conspiracy you are spouting, but it is unsurprising it attacks the British Empire.

Do i detect an emotional outburst from you Mr Napp ?lol. Lying? really? there is no doubt that whites have claimed land illegally in Africa. That historically includes white South Africans! I repeat- I notice that your sense that of outrage does not extend to outrage and emotional outbursts against the white perpetrators of so many murders and other human rights abuses against black Africans in South Africa for centuries; i gave you one example - the Sharpeville shooting incident- which you have tactically ignored! I notice that you are commenting on an alleged post that i made without actually posting it word for word in this post, while having an emotional outburst, so that everyone can see what I actually posted! Its not me, Mr Napp , who is telling lies!

How was it ‘illegally enshrined in Dutch law’? Slavery was immoral but perfectly legal .


I am white sure and I don’t deny that my people have benefitted (though mainly the rich and at the expense of the poor) from slavery and colonialism and should pay some form if repatriations.

I am also not denying the historical fact of slavery and colonisation of Africa by primarily the British empire, among others.

What I am denying is that this was driven through inherent racism but rather global capitalism. Sure they may have been prejudiced towards Natives (esp if they resisted colonisation) but the root of the problem is global capitalism as quite simply if there was no value in them being there they wouldn’t have gone.

It is also worth stating the obvious point that slavery was not invented by nor unique to whites and was perpetuated by among others the Barbary states. It also ignores that it was African slavers who willingly sold their own people.

Global capitalism which is still the dominant power structure of the day is still alive and kicking and is attempting to scapegoat race as the primary driver of existing economic inequality and further perpetuate inter racial conflict. Ultimately it doesn’t matter what your race is so long as you serve global economic interests - Obama is an obvious example of this.

First of all, no slavery was not just the domain of white people but the British empire gained a lot financially out of slavery which in my opinion is immoral. You then make the point frequently made point about Africans willingly selling Africans into slavery. I don't that this was very common at all. And i simply don't think it is right that you should some how try to blame Africans for slavery instituted by invading white Europeans with a racist and economic exploitation agenda. Your theory that without economic exploitation racism would not really exist is fallacious! You mention Obama. Honestly, i wanted to laugh. He was the puppet of white owned USA government agenda . He ,as a mixed race man, helped to keep the blacks complacent for a while. The house of reps etc clipped his wings early on in his first term. He could do, for example nothing against pro gun lobby in America about the mass gun murders that still happen. I don't understand the hype about Obama. What specific policies did he come up with that actually eased racial tensions and racisl inequalities in America? None, i would argue. When i ask black or white people exactly what Obama did about racial tensions in America -no one could think of anything! And who have America now reverted back to as their President- a racist!