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RAF Pilot Qualification Equivalencies

Morning,

I have a fairly good idea what the end answer is here so I'm not expecting much, but Google has brought up a lot of knowledgeable conversations regarding RAF recruitment here so I figured it would be worth a shot.

Long story short, I left school during my A-Levels a few years back to start a software business, which I've been running since up until a few months ago when I went to work for a third party. I was planning to fund an fATPL course in the hope of becoming an airline pilot, but over time I've become more interested in military service first for many reasons.

For this reason, I only have my GCSEs, so I've shot myself in the foot somewhat (I believe) with the RAF. It'll be mostly irrelevant because of the lack of other qualifications but I hold six A*s (English lang, maths and further maths), five As and I think one D in Religious Studies. I'm now employed as a senior software engineer, mainly specialising in graphics (spatial math, computational geometry, etc.), with a background in transport layer realtime network engineering.

I spoke with my local AFCO who have advised that I won't even be able to get through to do an aptitude test, which is all I'm really after here. I'm not exactly in a position that I can just up and go privately sit A-Levels at a moment's notice, so ultimately right now I'm just trying to get my foot in the door. While I understand it's at different levels, I sat the mock (full one, not the 46 question demo) of the AST and scored 100%, and I'm confident enough that if I could just get through to try I'd be in a good position.

Again, I'm guessing they won't even touch me so it's a long shot, but I'm wondering if there's any office I might be able to get in touch with which would be in a position to make judgements on a case-by-case basis. Failing this, I'll soon do my ATPL (career change to what I really want to be doing is long overdue), but I genuinely do want to serve.

Cheers
Reply 1
Do you have a degree or any further educational qualifications?
Reply 2
Original post by Drewski
Do you have a degree or any further educational qualifications?


Thanks for your response- forgot to mention that, unfortunately nothing I have has any equivalencies- I have technical training in very niche areas but none of it's accredited as it's specific to whatever I was working on at the time. I do have a large technical portfolio including products I've worked on (including a lot of math, novel algorithms, etc.) but I doubt it's of much use here.

Based on a short conversation I had with an AFCO corporal, it seems like they won't even look at anything else I can show for the aptitude test, and that sort of thing would only be relevant at the interview stage? Really just hoping there's any way to talk to somebody who can make a decision to let me give the CBAT a go.
Original post by Sel-4
Thanks for your response- forgot to mention that, unfortunately nothing I have has any equivalencies- I have technical training in very niche areas but none of it's accredited as it's specific to whatever I was working on at the time. I do have a large technical portfolio including products I've worked on (including a lot of math, novel algorithms, etc.) but I doubt it's of much use here.

Based on a short conversation I had with an AFCO corporal, it seems like they won't even look at anything else I can show for the aptitude test, and that sort of thing would only be relevant at the interview stage? Really just hoping there's any way to talk to somebody who can make a decision to let me give the CBAT a go.

Hi Sel-4

Few quick things:

1) You don't have the minimum academic requirements of any equivalency. So you aren't eligible to apply. It must be frustrating having gone out into the real world and got some life experience but it's still a requirement.
2) The AST is the 'Airman Selection Test' which is different to the CBATs for pilot aptitude.
3) I'm not exactly sure what you're after. You want to skip the academic requirements for pilot and go to Officer & Aircrew Selection on the proviso that you'll get your A levels later? Even if you come back with a strong aptitude score, you still have to tick all the other boxes for Officer potential and all the other requirements before you'd be accepted for training. Or did you want to go for Aptitude testing and pass that, but then go on with your life without joining the RAF?
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Original post by Schleigg
Hi Sel-4

Few quick things:

1) You don't have the minimum academic requirements of any equivalency. So you aren't eligible to apply. It must be frustrating having gone out into the real world and got some life experience but it's still a requirement.
2) The AST is the 'Airman Selection Test' which is different to the CBATs for pilot aptitude.
3) I'm not exactly sure what you're after. You want to skip the academic requirements for pilot and go to Officer & Aircrew Selection on the proviso that you'll get your A levels later? Even if you come back with a strong aptitude score, you still have to tick all the other boxes for Officer potential and all the other requirements before you'd be accepted for training. Or did you want to go for Aptitude testing and pass that, but then go on with your life without joining the RAF?

I knew it would be a long shot, primarily I wondered if there's a review board or anything of the like which could process applications on a case-by-case basis (I'd heard something along those lines in the past, but it seems like it's no longer the case) so that I can apply weighted on the other factors. I get that it's obviously a completely different case when it comes to the military, but incidentally with my current employment, it's a senior postgrad position where the degree requirement was waived based on my work, which is where I'm coming from.

At the end of the day, if it's completely rigid that you need the set qualifications on paper, then fair enough, I'll shift focus totally to doing my fATPL, it just seems a shame that there's no review/point of contact when the qualifications I'm missing are for frankly basic math, etc. compared to what I'm currently paid to work with which I can demonstrate through other means.
Original post by Sel-4
I knew it would be a long shot, primarily I wondered if there's a review board or anything of the like which could process applications on a case-by-case basis (I'd heard something along those lines in the past, but it seems like it's no longer the case) so that I can apply weighted on the other factors. I get that it's obviously a completely different case when it comes to the military, but incidentally with my current employment, it's a senior postgrad position where the degree requirement was waived based on my work, which is where I'm coming from.

At the end of the day, if it's completely rigid that you need the set qualifications on paper, then fair enough, I'll shift focus totally to doing my fATPL, it just seems a shame that there's no review/point of contact when the qualifications I'm missing are for frankly basic math, etc. compared to what I'm currently paid to work with which I can demonstrate through other means.

It's going to sound a bit harsh, but the number of people who come through who could ask

"Could you make an exception for me because other than my asthma / A Levels / eyesight/ not very good at sit ups / or anything else, I'd potentially be a good candidate?"

when the RAF gets many thousand applicants per year who have all the entry requirements and will subsequently go to pass OASC and end up on the front line means it's not worth their time.

If you want to be an RAF pilot and you're as smart as you say you are then go and do an A Level in maths plus another you could pass easily and then come back and apply. The other factor of course being the age limit, which might not work in your favour depending on how old you are now.
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Original post by Schleigg
It's going to sound a bit harsh, but the number of people who come through who could ask

"Could you make an exception for me because other than my asthma / A Levels / eyesight/ not very good at sit ups / or anything else, I'd potentially be a good candidate?"

when the RAF gets many thousand applicants per year who have all the entry requirements and will subsequently go to pass OASC and end up on the front line means it's not worth their time.

If you want to be an RAF pilot and you're as smart as you say you are then go and do an A Level in maths plus another you could pass easily and then come back and apply. The other factor of course being the age limit, which might not work in your favour depending on how old you are now.

Oh don't get me wrong, I totally understand the need for objectivity at the end of the day as far as how making exceptions looks, and I get they're almost certainly overloaded with highly qualified applicants, it's just frustrating from my end that I can't do something else to demonstrate that I can tick that particular box of the application without having to go off and wait an indefinite amount of time right now to go and sit a few A-Levels (particularly with COVID).

In all honestly, I'm ready for a career change, and I spoke with someone from the Army Air Corps today about their RPAS units and found that I could do my A-Levels while serving in at least a related field and then approach the transfer unit about applying as a pilot in 2-3 years dependent on contract, and if not then there's the possibility of AAC helo piloting. I would actually be cutting it close, age-wise, but it's probably just doable. I'm thinking I'll speak with a recruiter in more detail about this and see what my options would be.
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Reply 7
Original post by RAFPREP2021
I wouldn't say its harsh however, it is a completely inaccurate comparison.

What @Sel-4 was asking, is if there's any consideration taken for those with life experience as opposed to, in my opinion, fairly low level qualifications.

I'd suggest speaking with your AFCO again and explaining your position. There are processes in place and from what I understand our armed forces often assess people on a case by case basis. Let's be honest, would you rather someone who hasn't worked for 3 years but left school with 3 A levels and zero leadership potential go through OASC or put someone through with x amount of years leadership experience with zero a levels but demonstrable experience?

Worst case, it's a hard no and you go away to gain the quals required or they raise it, provide a workaround and you end up further along the process.

Whatever happens, good luck!

Yes, everyone is assessed on a case-by-case basis, starting with them meeting the educational requirements. You are thinking of the waiver process, but that's a no-go without any A-levels; it's for people who have just missed the mark in something for a role, but with exceptional standards in other areas. There are plenty of applicants for pilot that have everything needed, so there's no reason to take someone who has minimal qualifications and a job; there's more to leadership potential than the latter, but someone with zero would not be put forward for OASC anyway.

Ex-RAF Recruiter.
Original post by RAFPREP2021
I wouldn't say its harsh however, it is a completely inaccurate comparison [...] in my opinion.

...and that's all it is. Thanks for coming.
Reply 9
Original post by RAFPREP2021
I wasn't referring to any process in particular but interesting to hear there is a waiver process in place.

As i said, in this instance he should speak to the AFCO and they'll either come back with a firm no, as you've expressed, or inform him of anything else they could do.

An academic waiver was applied for maybe twice in my 2 years in an AFCO, and both for airman applicants who scored excellent marks on the AST but were a grade short for roles for which they were otherwise eligible with the test scores; they also had very strong extra-curriculars. People who came into the office or phoned with a query about any educational entry standards were told they needed qualifications they were short on; even a degree but being short on GCSEs and A-levels meant people weren't officer candidates. They were filtered out, and never got to us, if an actual application didn't have the correct grades on it. If they reached AST and didn't have certificates showing the right grade they could be ruled out of a trade they wanted. Even predicted grades that were too low would see a candidate refused for scholarships; I once had to do that on the first day of selection for pilot when the school paperwork was completely different to what the applicant claimed.

The OP needs his qualifications. He has to apply through the same route as anyone else and he wouldn't get past central recruitment; the AFCO have no influence on that and can't say or do anything different to what has already been said.
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