French presidential election: Macron wins second term in office
Getting this thread up and running as we'll find out the first-round result later!
We're expecting, barring a major shock, centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-righter Marine Le Pen to be in the second round – what will be interesting is who's ahead, what the margins are, and how many people bother to vote.
A couple of reliable live blogs:
France 24: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220410-live-polls-open-in-first-round-of-france-s-presidential-election
Politico: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-presidential-election-2022-first-round-live-blog-results-vote-emmanuel-macron-marine-le-pen-eric-zemmour-jean-luc-melenchon/
BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60940767
Ipsos first-round exit poll
🟡 Macron: 28,1%
⚫️ Le Pen: 23,3%
🟣 Mélenchon: 20,1%
⚫️ Zemmour: 7,2%
🔵 Pécresse: 5,0%
🟢 Jadot: 4,4%
⚪️ Lassalle: 3,3%
🟤 Roussel: 2,7%
⚫️ D.Aignan: 2,3%
🔴 Hidalgo: 2,1%
**UPDATE**
Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen are fighting in the second round of the election, with Macron holding a small polling lead. The exit poll, which usually gives a fairly good indication of who has one, barring a very close-run thing, is due at 7pm UK time.
Live blogs:
France 24: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220424-live-polls-open-across-france-as-macron-and-le-pen-vie-for-french-presidency
Politico: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-election-2022-live-blog/
BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61151604
Result:
Emmanuel Macron: 58.54%
Marine Le Pen: 41.46%
https://www.lemonde.fr/resultats-elections/
We're expecting, barring a major shock, centrist Emmanuel Macron and far-righter Marine Le Pen to be in the second round – what will be interesting is who's ahead, what the margins are, and how many people bother to vote.
A couple of reliable live blogs:
France 24: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220410-live-polls-open-in-first-round-of-france-s-presidential-election
Politico: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-presidential-election-2022-first-round-live-blog-results-vote-emmanuel-macron-marine-le-pen-eric-zemmour-jean-luc-melenchon/
BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60940767
Ipsos first-round exit poll
🟡 Macron: 28,1%
⚫️ Le Pen: 23,3%
🟣 Mélenchon: 20,1%
⚫️ Zemmour: 7,2%
🔵 Pécresse: 5,0%
🟢 Jadot: 4,4%
⚪️ Lassalle: 3,3%
🟤 Roussel: 2,7%
⚫️ D.Aignan: 2,3%
🔴 Hidalgo: 2,1%
**UPDATE**
Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen are fighting in the second round of the election, with Macron holding a small polling lead. The exit poll, which usually gives a fairly good indication of who has one, barring a very close-run thing, is due at 7pm UK time.
Live blogs:
France 24: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220424-live-polls-open-across-france-as-macron-and-le-pen-vie-for-french-presidency
Politico: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-election-2022-live-blog/
BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61151604
Result:
Emmanuel Macron: 58.54%
Marine Le Pen: 41.46%
https://www.lemonde.fr/resultats-elections/
(edited 2 years ago)
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Courtesy of Politico, here's the current polling situation:
https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/france/
https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/france/
Hoping that Zemmour doesn't win 🤞.
The Ipsos exit poll:
🟡 Macron: 28,1%
⚫️ Le Pen: 23,3%
🟣 Mélenchon: 20,1%
⚫️ Zemmour: 7,2%
🔵 Pécresse: 5,0%
🟢 Jadot: 4,4%
⚪️ Lassalle: 3,3%
🟤 Roussel: 2,7%
⚫️ D.Aignan: 2,3%
🔴 Hidalgo: 2,1%
Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen look certain to be in the second round.
In other news, Valérie Pécresse of the centre-right Republicans wins 5% and Anne Hidalgo of the Socialist Party wins only 2%. The traditional parties have done dreadfully.
🟡 Macron: 28,1%
⚫️ Le Pen: 23,3%
🟣 Mélenchon: 20,1%
⚫️ Zemmour: 7,2%
🔵 Pécresse: 5,0%
🟢 Jadot: 4,4%
⚪️ Lassalle: 3,3%
🟤 Roussel: 2,7%
⚫️ D.Aignan: 2,3%
🔴 Hidalgo: 2,1%
Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen look certain to be in the second round.
In other news, Valérie Pécresse of the centre-right Republicans wins 5% and Anne Hidalgo of the Socialist Party wins only 2%. The traditional parties have done dreadfully.
I am predicting another Macron win, purely because a lot of French people are too stupid to give a "racist" a chance. So they are gonna pick some globalist **** up whom they were just protesting against not too long ago, also France has the highest Muslim population in Europe which doesn't help Le-Pen's case.
(edited 2 years ago)
Zemmour is out so I'll probably vote for Macron then.
As in I don't want le Pen to win so I'm voting Macron, I do not support Zemmour.
As in I don't want le Pen to win so I'm voting Macron, I do not support Zemmour.
(edited 2 years ago)
Original post by Saracen's Fez
The Ipsos exit poll:
🟡 Macron: 28,1%
⚫️ Le Pen: 23,3%
🟣 Mélenchon: 20,1%
⚫️ Zemmour: 7,2%
🔵 Pécresse: 5,0%
🟢 Jadot: 4,4%
⚪️ Lassalle: 3,3%
🟤 Roussel: 2,7%
⚫️ D.Aignan: 2,3%
🔴 Hidalgo: 2,1%
Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen look certain to be in the second round.
In other news, Valérie Pécresse of the centre-right Republicans wins 5% and Anne Hidalgo of the Socialist Party wins only 2%. The traditional parties have done dreadfully.
🟡 Macron: 28,1%
⚫️ Le Pen: 23,3%
🟣 Mélenchon: 20,1%
⚫️ Zemmour: 7,2%
🔵 Pécresse: 5,0%
🟢 Jadot: 4,4%
⚪️ Lassalle: 3,3%
🟤 Roussel: 2,7%
⚫️ D.Aignan: 2,3%
🔴 Hidalgo: 2,1%
Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen look certain to be in the second round.
In other news, Valérie Pécresse of the centre-right Republicans wins 5% and Anne Hidalgo of the Socialist Party wins only 2%. The traditional parties have done dreadfully.
It's actually interesting to see how in other countries, new parties can actually win whereas in the UK is basically a two party state with Conservatives and Labour.
(edited 2 years ago)
Original post by The RAR
It's actually interesting to see how in other countries, new parties can quickly take over mainstream politics whereas in the UK is basically a two party state with Conservatives and Labour.
I think the fact that the presidential election comes before the parliamentary one, and the fact that it's, well, presidential and about individuals rather than parties does help a lot.
Original post by The RAR
It's actually interesting to see how in other countries, new parties can actually win whereas in the UK is basically a two party state with Conservatives and Labour.
Same in America, effectively 2 party.
I don't know if people are still referring to Le Pen as a racist. I would have thought we'd moved on from such rhetoric since Brexit, but I'm still seeing news articles refer to her as "far-right", simply because she takes anti-globalist and anti-immigration positions. If that's really the bar for far-right politics, then half the populations of most western countries are probably full of "far-right" people.
The reality is that Le Pen isn't even far-right. She's against privatisation of social services, she's for staying in the EU, she has been criticising Russia consistently throughout this war, she identifies as a feminist, is pro-choice, and is against the Islamification of France - Islamic culture is about as far-right as you can get, socially.
People calling her racist and far-right don't know what they're talking about. She's simply trying to retain France's national identity, which she feels is under threat from mass-immigration and other international policies.
The reality is that Le Pen isn't even far-right. She's against privatisation of social services, she's for staying in the EU, she has been criticising Russia consistently throughout this war, she identifies as a feminist, is pro-choice, and is against the Islamification of France - Islamic culture is about as far-right as you can get, socially.
People calling her racist and far-right don't know what they're talking about. She's simply trying to retain France's national identity, which she feels is under threat from mass-immigration and other international policies.
Original post by Fenneko
I don't know if people are still referring to Le Pen as a racist. I would have thought we'd moved on from such rhetoric since Brexit, but I'm still seeing news articles refer to her as "far-right", simply because she takes anti-globalist and anti-immigration positions. If that's really the bar for far-right politics, then half the populations of most western countries are probably full of "far-right" people.
The reality is that Le Pen isn't even far-right. She's against privatisation of social services, she's for staying in the EU, she has been criticising Russia consistently throughout this war, she identifies as a feminist, is pro-choice, and is against the Islamification of France - Islamic culture is about as far-right as you can get, socially.
People calling her racist and far-right don't know what they're talking about. She's simply trying to retain France's national identity, which she feels is under threat from mass-immigration and other international policies.
The reality is that Le Pen isn't even far-right. She's against privatisation of social services, she's for staying in the EU, she has been criticising Russia consistently throughout this war, she identifies as a feminist, is pro-choice, and is against the Islamification of France - Islamic culture is about as far-right as you can get, socially.
People calling her racist and far-right don't know what they're talking about. She's simply trying to retain France's national identity, which she feels is under threat from mass-immigration and other international policies.
Le Pen is old school far right. This idealisation of Islamic culture is a novelty endorsed only by the most 'very-online' of the far right.
Just a reminder for anyone not aware, the first round is tonight but the second round is in 2 weeks time.
So don't stay up tonight expecting there to be a new president.
So don't stay up tonight expecting there to be a new president.
Original post by Captain Haddock
Le Pen is old school far right. This idealisation of Islamic culture is a novelty endorsed only by the most 'very-online' of the far right.
Do you think people who voted to leave the EU are ideologically far-right? The thing is, when I hear the term "far-right", I think of fascism and ultranationalism. I don't think of people who want to preserve their culture through immigration-based policy making, you know?
Original post by Fenneko
Do you think people who voted to leave the EU are ideologically far-right? The thing is, when I hear the term "far-right", I think of fascism and ultranationalism. I don't think of people who want to preserve their culture through immigration-based policy making, you know?
Suspect the term is invoked to shut down and demonise opposition.
Original post by Vertigo_descent
Suspect the term is invoked to shut down and demonise opposition.
Pretty much.
Original post by Vertigo_descent
Suspect the term is invoked to shut down and demonise opposition.
I have seen far more debates derailed due to *****ing about the term 'far right' than the actual use of the term.
It appears the battle for second between Marine Le Pen and Jean-Luc Mélenchon is narrower than anticipated and closing.
https://www.lemonde.fr/resultats-elections/
So far I'm not sure that anyone is really suggesting that Mélenchon will ultimately qualify for the second round, but Le Pen might squeeze in by a hair's breadth.
FWIW Macron polls much better against Mélenchon than Le Pen.
https://www.lemonde.fr/resultats-elections/
So far I'm not sure that anyone is really suggesting that Mélenchon will ultimately qualify for the second round, but Le Pen might squeeze in by a hair's breadth.
FWIW Macron polls much better against Mélenchon than Le Pen.
An expected result from the 1st round. Macron and Le Pen were the only two candidates who consistently polled highest out of all of them.
The 2nd round is expcted to be very close, with a near 50-50 split between Macron and Le Pen. This is in direct contrast with the last election where Macron won by a landslide.
I personally think Le Pen will win. She's doing well in the polls and has a lot of momentum behind her campaign.
The 2nd round is expcted to be very close, with a near 50-50 split between Macron and Le Pen. This is in direct contrast with the last election where Macron won by a landslide.
I personally think Le Pen will win. She's doing well in the polls and has a lot of momentum behind her campaign.
Original post by The RAR
It's actually interesting to see how in other countries, new parties can actually win whereas in the UK is basically a two party state with Conservatives and Labour.
Macron in refusing any televised debate before the first round was guaranteed a place in the second round with Marine Le Pen. He made sure that any of the newer candidates with reasonable ideas wouldn’t have access to a media platform big enough to break through. He will once again become President of France with over 70% of the population being against him which shows the limitations of the electoral system in France. People will not be voting for him in the second round but voting against LePen as they did last time.
Original post by farightfrdmfight
If you're attacked by the establishment you are the best choice. I wonder if the conspiracy about Zemmour is true, that he was put in to to take away Le Pen votes? hmm
Don’t think so as last night he publicly asked all his followers to vote for LePen in the next round
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