Transgender women banned from women's chess events

It's interesting you say that "it depends on the reasons why the players want that", because when I asked you about why transgender people wouldn't want to be segregated by sex, you said "It's irrelevant to the point, so I am not sure why you are asking?".

So when transgender people don't want to be segregated by sex, the reasons don't matter, because "Ultimately my point is that transgender people dont want to be segregated by their sex." Whereas if people don't want to be segregated by gender identity, now the reasons do matter, and you reserve the right to deem those reasons to be insufficient. Why the double standard?

When I say that it "should depend on the reason(s) why players would want that", I am thinking of situations where people want segregation but for toxic and hateful reasons (e.g. think of historic race based segregation).

The reasons you presented earlier, for why transgender people don't want to be segregated by their sex, don't fall under that category and were therefore irrelevant.

This thread has been completely derailed !! It wasn’t about who’s idea of segregation was the most valid in a general sense and most definitely not about homophobic or transphobic ideas as sprouted by@Zephyr0221 in post #360, but why specifically in chess this decision has been made. This I’m right your right argument that has been going on for days is just tedious and doesn’t shed any light on the situation.

Time to unwatch this thread. What could have been an interesting debate has become just about as exciting as watching 2 goldfish swimming around in a small bowl. We wanted more than what should be the deciding definition because you have both proved that you can continue that kind of ideological argument for centuries and more of an intellectual argument based on scientific studies relating to the differences if any between a male and female brain that might explain the ruling.
Wishful thinking!

I’m not transphobic I’m just sharing my opinion is it wrong? There must have been voting right to either keep trans woman in woman’s chess or not? I completely agree with you lot that trans woman should be allowed in woman’s chess league. But stop putting the label of transphobic. Talking about why they made the decision was because “When women started to play they were at a much lower level and so all female tournaments started to get organised, which resulted in women achieving 'female' ratings.” from guardian news. It’s probably have to with ratings and they don’t want to mix it up.

I'm going to unwatch this thread now. It's derailed from the original topic and I feel like I've said all that I had to. I still stand by my earlier stance.

No, there was no voting amongst GM's and WGM's. This decision has been made by FIDE, seemingly without consultation from affected parties.

So presumably if their reason was simply “I think sex is more important than gender identity, so I feel disrespected being segregated by gender identity rather than sex” (i.e. the same as what you’ve given for the reverse) that would constitute a valid reason, in your opinion?

Lots of threads and stuff on this kind of thing recently but this one makes zero sense to me, how does biological sex give you and advantage for a sport like chess? I can see how it does for most other sports hence me mostly agreeing with the sporting bodies, but not this one.

Can read more on the story here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-66538328 (also on sky news, channel 4 news etc)

I don't agree with the body’s move on this one to the point where I didn’t even know that for a game like chess, there are male and female categories (as opposed to it all being mixed sex) but then again, I don’t play chess competitively.

If it is timed chess, than the physical time taken to move pieces, and hit the timer is a factor. If you are physically able to do it faster, it offers a very small advantage in conserving time

Yeah but is that advantage really significant enough? Like it would be in most other sports.

I agree it wont be significant and it wont be valid since there would be small physical differences between any 2 chess players