Is THIS form of “magic” actually magic/haram?
Alchemy, Astral travel, numerology, crystals, tarot cards?
Listen, I know magic is strictly and obviously haram. But that’s a heck of a broad term. Things like these used to be primitive science back in the day rather than outright magic; witch trials were for things like dark spells, curses, selling your soul to the devil. I want exact boundaries, WHAT is magic in Islam, and what is using the energy given by Allah? (like FOR EXAMPLE, using tarot cards to gain insight on current events -NOT THE FUTURE- and that insight is through Allah)
I don’t want answers like “that doesn’t work” btw, it doesn’t answer my question. Thanks!
Listen, I know magic is strictly and obviously haram. But that’s a heck of a broad term. Things like these used to be primitive science back in the day rather than outright magic; witch trials were for things like dark spells, curses, selling your soul to the devil. I want exact boundaries, WHAT is magic in Islam, and what is using the energy given by Allah? (like FOR EXAMPLE, using tarot cards to gain insight on current events -NOT THE FUTURE- and that insight is through Allah)
I don’t want answers like “that doesn’t work” btw, it doesn’t answer my question. Thanks!
Hi, I'm not an Islamic scholar so you will have to do your research but from what I know I'm pretty sure it's forbidden and advised to stay away from as it can easily become a form of shirk for example tarot case which is based on probability but people can easily believe that that's their future based on just a card there are pulling. Another example is crystals people will believe in the power of crystals to heal and protect you etc.. which is wrong as only Allah can heal and protect you from danger so it is a form of shirk. However, there is a difference of opinion about crystals e.g. a crystal necklace you can have as long as you don't believe it has any sort of power to do anything but is recommended to stay away from it. it's the same reason why wearing an evil eye bracelet that allegedly breaks once it protected you is a form of shirk if you believe in it as the bracelet can't protect you. Hope this helps.
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Original post by Sha.xo527
Alchemy, Astral travel, numerology, crystals, tarot cards?
Listen, I know magic is strictly and obviously haram. But that’s a heck of a broad term. Things like these used to be primitive science back in the day rather than outright magic; witch trials were for things like dark spells, curses, selling your soul to the devil. I want exact boundaries, WHAT is magic in Islam, and what is using the energy given by Allah? (like FOR EXAMPLE, using tarot cards to gain insight on current events -NOT THE FUTURE- and that insight is through Allah)
I don’t want answers like “that doesn’t work” btw, it doesn’t answer my question. Thanks!
Listen, I know magic is strictly and obviously haram. But that’s a heck of a broad term. Things like these used to be primitive science back in the day rather than outright magic; witch trials were for things like dark spells, curses, selling your soul to the devil. I want exact boundaries, WHAT is magic in Islam, and what is using the energy given by Allah? (like FOR EXAMPLE, using tarot cards to gain insight on current events -NOT THE FUTURE- and that insight is through Allah)
I don’t want answers like “that doesn’t work” btw, it doesn’t answer my question. Thanks!
"magic" I'm pretty sure is given to humans according to your holy book. surah 2:102. tells you a story. basically "magic" causes a rift between you and god. tarot cards I think would be the worst as that's divination, which is shirk according to what I have read. basically, the whole idea is that "magic" requires you to place faith in idols, and know the unseen. which is a big thing in Islam. surah 5:90 mentions tarots basically in the form of arrows. you say current events, isn;t the future but even then, its still regarded as the unseen. Astra travel never heard of it, if it's dreams then its fine I guess. alchemy I think is fine, as many old arab/muslim people from the 1300s tried it, basically a fake science. crystals like owning them are fine. thinking crystals will protect you are not.
I'm personally not a Muslim, but while I have learnt things about other religions, read through those verses. even common sense-wise, its a waste of time, yeah it doesn't work but what's the point on using this stuff, rather than actually doing something semi productive. it might be fun but that's about it with the card game.
Original post by Sha.xo527
Alchemy, Astral travel, numerology, crystals, tarot cards?
Listen, I know magic is strictly and obviously haram. But that’s a heck of a broad term. Things like these used to be primitive science back in the day rather than outright magic; witch trials were for things like dark spells, curses, selling your soul to the devil. I want exact boundaries, WHAT is magic in Islam, and what is using the energy given by Allah? (like FOR EXAMPLE, using tarot cards to gain insight on current events -NOT THE FUTURE- and that insight is through Allah)
I don’t want answers like “that doesn’t work” btw, it doesn’t answer my question. Thanks!
Listen, I know magic is strictly and obviously haram. But that’s a heck of a broad term. Things like these used to be primitive science back in the day rather than outright magic; witch trials were for things like dark spells, curses, selling your soul to the devil. I want exact boundaries, WHAT is magic in Islam, and what is using the energy given by Allah? (like FOR EXAMPLE, using tarot cards to gain insight on current events -NOT THE FUTURE- and that insight is through Allah)
I don’t want answers like “that doesn’t work” btw, it doesn’t answer my question. Thanks!
Original post by jacksmith23
why do you think magic is haram according to your religion?
"magic" I'm pretty sure is given to humans according to your holy book. surah 2:102. tells you a story. basically "magic" causes a rift between you and god. tarot cards I think would be the worst as that's divination, which is shirk according to what I have read. basically, the whole idea is that "magic" requires you to place faith in idols, and know the unseen. which is a big thing in Islam. surah 5:90 mentions tarots basically in the form of arrows. you say current events, isn;t the future but even then, its still regarded as the unseen. Astra travel never heard of it, if it's dreams then its fine I guess. alchemy I think is fine, as many old arab/muslim people from the 1300s tried it, basically a fake science. crystals like owning them are fine. thinking crystals will protect you are not.
I'm personally not a Muslim, but while I have learnt things about other religions, read through those verses. even common sense-wise, its a waste of time, yeah it doesn't work but what's the point on using this stuff, rather than actually doing something semi productive. it might be fun but that's about it with the card game.
"magic" I'm pretty sure is given to humans according to your holy book. surah 2:102. tells you a story. basically "magic" causes a rift between you and god. tarot cards I think would be the worst as that's divination, which is shirk according to what I have read. basically, the whole idea is that "magic" requires you to place faith in idols, and know the unseen. which is a big thing in Islam. surah 5:90 mentions tarots basically in the form of arrows. you say current events, isn;t the future but even then, its still regarded as the unseen. Astra travel never heard of it, if it's dreams then its fine I guess. alchemy I think is fine, as many old arab/muslim people from the 1300s tried it, basically a fake science. crystals like owning them are fine. thinking crystals will protect you are not.
I'm personally not a Muslim, but while I have learnt things about other religions, read through those verses. even common sense-wise, its a waste of time, yeah it doesn't work but what's the point on using this stuff, rather than actually doing something semi productive. it might be fun but that's about it with the card game.
Original post by Sha.xo527
Alchemy, Astral travel, numerology, crystals, tarot cards?
Listen, I know magic is strictly and obviously haram. But that’s a heck of a broad term. Things like these used to be primitive science back in the day rather than outright magic; witch trials were for things like dark spells, curses, selling your soul to the devil. I want exact boundaries, WHAT is magic in Islam, and what is using the energy given by Allah? (like FOR EXAMPLE, using tarot cards to gain insight on current events -NOT THE FUTURE- and that insight is through Allah)
I don’t want answers like “that doesn’t work” btw, it doesn’t answer my question. Thanks!
Listen, I know magic is strictly and obviously haram. But that’s a heck of a broad term. Things like these used to be primitive science back in the day rather than outright magic; witch trials were for things like dark spells, curses, selling your soul to the devil. I want exact boundaries, WHAT is magic in Islam, and what is using the energy given by Allah? (like FOR EXAMPLE, using tarot cards to gain insight on current events -NOT THE FUTURE- and that insight is through Allah)
I don’t want answers like “that doesn’t work” btw, it doesn’t answer my question. Thanks!
Here are a few narrations that can put this into perspective:
The Prophet ﷺ said (meaning): "Whoever goes to an 'Arrāf and asks him something, he will have his prayer rejected for forty days." [Sahīh Muslim 2230]
"Whoever visits an 'Arrāf or a Kāhin and believes in his words, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad" [Musnad Ahmad 9536]
(Imam Al-Baghawi said: "The 'Arrāf is a person who claims to know the matters with fore-signs by which he can point to stolen items, the place of lost things and the like." He also said: "The Kāhin is the one who speaks about things in the future and claims to know the secrets and the knowledge of the Ghayb (unseen)."
Ibn Taymiyyah said: "The 'Arrāf is a name for the fortune-teller and the Munajjim (astrologer), and the Rammal (diviner), and the like of them who speak of having knowledge of matters in similar ways.")
Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him, the cousin of the Prophet ﷺ) said about those people who write Abjad (alphabet - to use in soothsaying, fortunetelling etc.) and gaze at the stars (i.e., believe in their influences on people) - "I do not see that whoever does such has any share with Allah." [Musannaf 'Abdur-Razzāq, Musannaf Ibn Abí Shaybah, and others]
From these narrations (and many others) we can see the dangers being involved in these sort of acts. You can learn more about this topic by studying Kitāb at-Tawhīd. This book covers the most important topic for mankind, which is to single Allāh out in worship and to stay away from Shirk (which these things you mentioned can fall under). It is important you study the books written by the scholars who have spent their life studying the religion, rather than asking strangers on the Internet. Many people answer questions about Islām without having ever studied and instead answer based on what they personally think, which is extremely dangerous. I advise you, may Allāh bless you, to watch and study from this playlist so you can get a good understanding of Tawhīd and the matters that come with it: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv6TZluNhDk48Dc_HXz1KFsGhavIbNWzu&feature=shared
I’ve wondered about this too—Islam defines magic as invoking supernatural forces or practices that go beyond the natural laws set by Allah, including divination or relying on unseen powers outside of Him. Using tools like tarot, even for insight, could blur into forbidden territory since it may risk dependence on sources other than Allah for guidance.
You raise an interesting point. It can be confusing to differentiate between practices considered haram versus those aligned with faith. For insights like using tarot cards, many people seek clarity through tools. I consider it to be a gray area as it’s not about the tool, but the intention. However, I suggest engaging in a free psychic chat for diverse perspectives on this.
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