Girls and Guys (and any others also) Has real feminism died?

The last century was greatly important regarding women rights and the idea of what feminism was could be clearly seen. What is feminism doing today? Don't misinterpret me, .....

It sounds to me like you don't understand what science is.
Social associations (ie. gender) are neither decoupled from genetic sex nor exempt from science.

That contradicts just about everything else you've said so far.

I'm sorry - Ocassus and I were not debating that there were biological or neurological differences between men and women, but rather that men produce more results at work.

Academically hardcore? You know that Sex on the Brain was written by a journalist right?

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First off, I'm only talking about Britain here. Before others pounce on me and talk about other countries.

And, well... yeah, I think so. "Women, get back in the kitchen!" jokes and banter aside, I don't really see any need for a feminist movement now.

Women now have the exact same rights and opportunities as men have. Hell, maybe even more, what with the desperate, constantly-trying-to-be-PC society we live in. If anyone were to discriminate against a women in anyway, they'd have the book thrown at them quicker than you can say "lawsuit." You don't really see any sexism anymore, and a woman is free now to do anything she wants. I don't see a point in it.

Feminism, imo, really ought to be in the face of protecting womans image and expectation in society as those are where women in the western world are largely misrepresented. Of course feminism is alive, i hope it is. Women are often forced in to a corner by their own 'liberated' interests. Especially nowadays after being objectified by all those around her she now objectifies herself.

I'm not well. I'll get back to this later.

Yes, that's a totally valid distinction, if you read the Daily fricking Mail.

Otherwise, that's a complete misrepresentation of feminism, on both accounts. Facepalm.

That partially ties into it also. As one can argue that maths and the sciences have more practical use than English etc. [And I am doing English A level and intend to study it at uni, so don't bite my head off].

Genuine advice here- English degrees are chock full of feminism. Pretty much everything I've argued on this thread I've learned from my English degree, and the theories I've cited are highly respected in the world of English Literature. Just something for you to think about.

The last century was greatly important regarding women rights and the idea of what feminism was could be clearly seen. What is feminism doing today? Don't misinterpret me, I know there are still few groups fighting for that, but I cannot see the same spirit of the last century. Feminism as a whole has been reduced to attend some irrelevant meetings with no real future or participating in the Day of Women (it means that we reckognize women fully for a day and then we forget about it). Where is the feminism today? Has the X Factor,soap-operas kind of television programmes, female magazines and another **** destroyed it? Let's start a hot debate

That explains it. You know nothing about nothing, since you majored in English.
There are no theories in English Literature, since there is no scientific approach.

You're just blabbering uneducated opinions. Oh God. I'm going to go mad.

I have a Business degree. Do I tell Nuclear Physicists they are wrong ? No !

Holy **** this is beyond repair.

hush now.

Sexes don't have 'innate characteristics'. The whole idea that there is anything innate about sexuality is disproven by the existence of homosexuals, bisexuals, transexuals, drag queens, transvestites, asexuals, masculine women, feminine men, hermaphrodites, career women, house-husbands. There is absolutely nothing innate about gender. Gender is a complete construction. Read some queer theory, it will completely blow your argument out of the window.

Also, since you say you don't dismiss gender studies, I can reassure you that any respectable gender studies scholar or writer would laugh in your face if you told them there's no point in decontructing gender.

Heh heh, well, I'm certainly not complaining when a fairly fair piece of fair comes around my way and decides she wants to do a little ol' poledance for me as, according to her, it will help "liberate" her sexuality and whatever else...

I'm just enjoying the view, myself.



Giggedty.

Also, I still don't get what Feminism about. True equality is what it says on the tin: equality in every single conceivable and inconceivable way. That's a pipe dream, at best.

Equality seems to have taken on this definition of, "well, we'll just give the women de facto right to say and do almost whatever they want to a man and yet it can't be done the other 'round". That speaks to me of hypocriscy.

Actually, that's probably not very clear. To put it to you another way, if a woman slaps a man then the man should be able to slap the woman right back. No ifs, not buts. Essentially, "slap a hoe if she's being a bitch; smack a man if he's being a bastard". It's Feminism defined.

There isn't as much spirit because there doesn't need to be, women have achieved many of the goals that they set out on achieving through feminism. Now is the time for feminism to start up in religious countries where women have different rights and more rules than men.

You really really really need to do soem basic research into physical biological and psychological differenced between men and women. Because its pretty clear yo have a very VERY limited understanding of the topic.

Don't bother replying to me because I won't read it but your arguments are a joke and really show a lack of understanding

Feminism as a whole has been reduced to attend some irrelevant meetings with no real future or participating in the Day of Women

Someone being reasonable at last.

I don't think many feminists would advocate double standards like that, I certainly wouldn't. Most people I've seen advocating them are men, actually.

Absolutely, I would be the first to admit that know **** all about science. Which is why I'm not making a scientific argument. I genuinely don't understand what the problem is here.