Muslims suicide bomb Swedish shopping centre

There's a difference of opinion as to what constitutes "leaving Islam", in an Islamic state defecting from the state is a crime. If you switch allegiances from the Islamic state to another state then that's a crime. Read this article, it goes into detail: http://web.archive.org/web/20080415235321/http://www.islamonline.net/English/contemporary/2006/04/article02.shtml

No, not really. No one would take you seriously if you said the UK is a monarchy, and the same goes if you claim the UK is a Christian state. We have a queen, but she is just a historic relic. The same goes for the Anglican church.



People who say the UK is a Christian country are usually referring to its, at least nominally, Christian majoriy population and Christian heritage. They don't mean it is a Christian country in the same sense that Muslims mean when they are referring to an Islamic state.

Yeah brilliant response. I can't actually believe people think the US can easily invade Pakistan- the Pakistanis will definitely suffer more casualties but firstly their army is pretty strong and highly trained and the guerilla fighting afterwards in the North East alone will be a hellish version of Vietnam. I mean at least 200,000-300,000 US troops will die in the first year alone in my opinion. Also when the army is defeated, the troops will just melt away and join the guerilla fighters.

I have just skimmed that piece, and it doesn't really fit with the picture you presented during the so-called Islamic 'golden age', where people can question and challenge Islam.

Perhaps the Islamic 'golden age' occured, to the extent to which it did, because Muslims didn't really follow Islam at the time. They were more relaxed about things, so free thought was encouraged.

What links?

Denying scientific facts like evolution per se is not a threat to democracy; however, it is a symptom of the problem.

*Some* is the whole point. Why deport all the law abiding Muslims? (But yes I agree with your sentiment).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11977524

one person has been killed and two others injured in two explosions that rocked the centre of the swedish capital, stockholm.

A car blew up near the busy shopping street of drottninggatan and another blast followed nearby minutes later.

Swedish press attributed the second blast to a suicide bomber but police said no cause had yet been determined.

Foreign minister carl bildt said a "terrorist attack" which could have been "truly catastrophic" had failed.

Tweeting on the blasts, he described them as "most worrying".

A local news agency, tt, said it had received a threatening e-mail shortly before the blasts, which called for "mujahideen", or islamist fighters, to rise up in sweden and europe.

Attacking the country over caricatures of the prophet mohammed drawn by swedish artist lars vilks as well as sweden's military presence in afghanistan, the e-mail promised swedes would "die like our brothers and sisters".

Sweden has 500 soldiers deployed in afghanistan as part of the international peacekeeping force.

In november, the country raised its terror alert level from low to elevated because of a "shift in activities" among swedish-based groups that could be plotting attacks.
'pipe bombs'
a police forensics officer examines the area around the man killed in stockholm, 11 december police forensics officers examined the area around the body

both blasts hit central stockholm as the streets were busy with people out christmas shopping.

The car exploded at 1700 (1600 gmt) and the second blast occurred 10 to 15 minutes later on a street about 300m (300yds) away, police spokesman kjell lindgren said.

A man was found dead near the site of the second explosion and two people with minor injuries were also found nearby.

Asked if the dead man had somehow blown himself up, mr lindgren said: "it is possible."

unconfirmed reports in sweden's aftonbladet newspaper said the man was carrying pipe bombs, as well as a backpack full of nails.

Another police spokesman, ulf johansson, told the bbc police would not rush to judgement.

"we need more investigation and of course we need more witnesses to give us the information of what actually has happened," he said.

He said the car had contained gas canisters and had "exploded with a series of minor explosions".

The identities of the dead man and those injured have not been released.
'stomach injury'

a former employee of the associated press news agency, gabriel gabiro, was close to the second blast.
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there was a man lying on the ground with blood coming out in the area of his belly”

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"i saw some people crying, perhaps from the shock," he told the agency.

"there was a man lying on the ground with blood coming out in the area of his belly, and with his personal belongings scattered around him."

a trained medic named only as pascal also said the man appeared to have a stomach injury.

"it looked as if the man had carried something that exploded in his stomach," he said on the website of newspaper dagens nyheter.

"he had no injuries to the face or body in general and the shops around were not damaged."

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stop all muslim immigration now, before its too late

Possibly, although I doubt it.

The number of American military personal on active duty numbers around the same as the collective number of military personal in Pakistan. And that's only ready on active duty. With another 900,000 ready and waiting and then adding the fact that the President (with Congress' permission) can enact the Conscription Act, which means all American males 18-25 must sign up. So, with one and a half million in active military service, another million and a half enlisted and a Conscription act at the ready, the number of armed personal far outweighs that of the Pakistani's.

America has 16,000 battle ready tanks in both active service and on the ready-line. Pakistan has 1,050. Pakistan's Main Battle Tank is the Al-Khalid, which doesn't even rate on the World's Top Ten Battle Tanks, and seen as there's only 15 real variations, it rates somewhere between 11 and 15. There are more types, but the 15 are the "main" ones used. The American Main Battle Tank rates 2nd - to - 3rd, somewhere before or after the Challenger II and after the Leopard II of Germany.

America has over 5,500 manned combat aircraft and 180 unmanned combat aircraft. With the world's best fighter, (the F/A-22) strategic bombers / ground attack (The B-2, F-117, A-10, B-1, AC-130), recon (U-2) and strategic (C-130, C-5A/B Galaxy) aircraft.
The Pakistani Air Force on the other hand has 850 aircraft. Mainly made up of old C-130 and F-16 aircraft. And both, whilst good, can't match up to the current C-130 model and the F/A-22 which will, quite literally, dominate the air over Pakistan should such a war occur. Also, America has 330,000 pilots, with most being on active duty at any one time, (the world's largest Air Force after all), whereas Pakistan only has 3,000. And over half are off-duty at any one time.

The Navy once again is stronger with the USA. Again, over 330,000 active personal, operating around 300 ships and 3,700 aircraft. America's combined naval tonnage is equivalent to that of the next 13 in the world combined. They also have the most Aircraft Carriers in the world at 11, and a further, larger one under construction.
Pakistan has 24,000 active personal. Has under 100 ships and barely any Naval aircraft. They also have no aircraft carriers. And seen as Pakistan only has a 650 mile coastline, the USN could simply anchor a ship every few miles for air cover and radar, easily send in waves of landing craft and even more easily send in aircraft attacks.

In regards to the guerilla tactics you mentioned, are also, I'm afraid, pointless. The American Marines Corps will simply mount up in APCs and along side helicopter support, hunt down the forces. If that fails, they'll simply carpet bomb any place they believe the Pakistani forces to be hiding. With very, very fast infiltrating units being carried around by faster aircraft and helicopters, the resistance they put up will be met fiercely, then tracked and slaughtered even more mercilessly.

Trust me, an American invasion of Pakistan would almost certainly result in them winning. I studied Military Tactics, Strategies and Logistics so I could also tell you that America has superior tactics for such conflicts. They really learnt their lesson from Vietnam. And now, with more advanced technology and weapons that don't jam every 3 rounds, they're far more suited to even that kind of warfare.

A bloody fight, agreed. But one that will see blood drawn more from the Pakistani's.

An excellent response but I wasn't for a second saying the militaries of the two countries compare. However you know quite a lot about this so you must also know that the Pakistani military is still relatively strong and FAR stronger than the respective militaries of Afghanistan (didn't really have one admittedly) and Iraq put together. If there's an INVASION then surely there will be some extensive guerilla warfare (and that's both in urban and rural areas). This resistance in my opinion will be far more deadly and better organised than that of the Taliban or Iraqi insurgents.

There's little doubt that the US military will defeat the Pakistani military as well as the fact that Pakistanis would suffer more casualties. But the human cost and the economic cost for the US as well would be far more severe than that for Afghanistan and Iraq combined which surely makes a future invasion highly unlikely.

Oh, agreed. It is strong in comparison to other Middle-Eastern countries, and definitely a more dangerous challenge then that of Afghanistan and Iraq, no question.
Guerilla tactics in both environments against, say, the Mujahadeen would be easily won. However, that's fighting guerilla soldier with guerilla soldier. With an army the size of the US's using Shock and Awe, things would very quickly fall apart for the Pakistani's, however, its not for the Afghanistan Terrorist and Militia Cells that operate now. Odd, definitely odd.

Agreed, it would be far more severe then that of the Afghan war. However, as far as popular support went, they'd definitely enjoy that. With an enemy the US could get a grip of and thoroughly beat rather then chasing it around and not really achieving much in the way of blood drawn, I'm sure the people would appreciate that more.
An invasion on a whim of Nuclear War would be possible. No country wants to unleash its nuclear arsenal if not absolutely necessary.

If it did become an invasion, however, NATO would be drawn into it. If that was the case, then a military occupation would happen in a tenth of the time it'd take the US, and casualties on the Coalition's side would number probably no more then a couple-thousand. They'd merely bomb it into submission and simply cordon off the coast with a naval blockade. So when it does, and NATO performed a strong military attack, such a war would be over in months.

Lets just hope it never gets to that, eh?

Like attacking a sleepy great dane, gentle creatures by nature, but if it turned nasty you would not want to be in the same room as it. At the moment we are half asleep in that politicians took us in too two 'wars', but they are afraid to fight them the way wars ought to be fought,like the war in WW2. There is not the will there. The media is much to blame, during ww2, they completely supported britain 100 percent in the war against fascism. But now the media is a nest of communist vermin, most of whom should be put against a wall and shot.

If we are at war, we should fight it like one, conscription, carpet bombing, if needs be we should turn afghanistan into a nuclear wasteland.We should not care about a dead muslim woman or child in these countries,we should kill them all. The interesting thing is,during the troubles in NI, we have more troops looking after a smaller area than we do in afghanistan. Again, it is a disgrace to our troops that we are killing them like this, when our politicians and ourselves will not commit to fight this like a war and not a police action. We are at war with islam,so we should intern all uk muslims, as we did in ww2, with the germans living here.And as the US did, with the japanese.We should place them is mass camps, and negotiate with muslims countries regarding their deportation, they should be detained for the protection of the state and for their own protection against those who might want to harm them. The ironic thing,is the us president then roosevelt was very left wing a democrat president,but even he knew ,we had to do the unthinkable to beat fascism . How different from the red diper doper babies in charge now.So called conservatives.... bush.... camerooon. I feel sorry for the soldiers, having to fight wars in a way to satisfy the PC whims of politicians, who are frightened of a the left wing media vermin.

If we are not prepared to fight these wars like wars ,we should come to terms with the islamists and give them exactly what they want. surrender, because I'd rather that, then innocent western civilians getting killed. My thoughts to sweden. And you know, I do think its's cowardly to attack a country like sweden, I don't hear them supporting Israel, or has large numbers of troops in afghanistan. Scum.I hope instead of those 7 yr old virgin girls, they want, they end up with large strap on wearing pigs.

I'am sorry you just ignored my post and repeated what you said before and talking about breeding ground for terrorists, I'am fairly sure the Maoists control huge swathes of the Indian countryside. Here read these responses carefully:

1) The fact that the Indians are despised by the majority of Kashmiris is NOT Pakistani propaganda- it's true whatever source you consult. The murder of 89,000 Kashmiris- almost universally without trial or proof- is also a fact recorded by many human rights organisations such as Amnesty, HRW and what not. Also a definite FACT is the countless incidences of torture, murder and rape still taking place by Indian troops.

It is a FACT basically that most Kashmiris want India to **** off and support the FREEDOM FIGHTERS who are fighting against oppression- these people are the ones the ISI supports.

2) You tell me about disregarding wikileaks and yet there's an article in there where a US diplomat is quoted as saying that although Pakistan is deifnitely NOT a failed state, it still has many problems. I suggest you find it.

3) Pakistan accepted that the terrorists came from Pakistan not that the ISI was responsible- India still hasn't presented viable evidence to support its case so if anyone's belieiving biased state propaganda- it's you.

4) The ISI and army are definitely always called Pakistan's only stable functionin instiutions- you can read that on the BBC or whatever where I have repeatedly come across the phrase. They're certainly better, less corrupt etc. that the government.

5) No one knows what the ISI is up to because they are a SECRET agency. Which is exactly the reason why no one knows what the CIA or MI6 are up to either.

Read through my points carefully and answer them all just to avoid any misunderstandings.

Yeah lol, also don't forget that the Pakistanis can strategically use nuclear weapons against US ground forces or even the Navy for that matte though the latter would probably wipe out a massive amount of ocean life and cause an enormous Tsunami or something.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11977524

One person has been killed and two others injured in two explosions that rocked the centre of the Swedish capital, Stockholm.

A car blew up near the busy shopping street of Drottninggatan and another blast followed nearby minutes later.

Swedish press attributed the second blast to a suicide bomber but police said no cause had yet been determined.

Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said a "terrorist attack" which could have been "truly catastrophic" had failed.

Tweeting on the blasts, he described them as "most worrying".

A local news agency, TT, said it had received a threatening e-mail shortly before the blasts, which called for "mujahideen", or Islamist fighters, to rise up in Sweden and Europe.

Attacking the country over caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed drawn by Swedish artist Lars Vilks as well as Sweden's military presence in Afghanistan, the e-mail promised Swedes would "die like our brothers and sisters".

Sweden has 500 soldiers deployed in Afghanistan as part of the international peacekeeping force.

In November, the country raised its terror alert level from low to elevated because of a "shift in activities" among Swedish-based groups that could be plotting attacks.
'Pipe bombs'
A police forensics officer examines the area around the man killed in Stockholm, 11 December Police forensics officers examined the area around the body

Both blasts hit central Stockholm as the streets were busy with people out Christmas shopping.

The car exploded at 1700 (1600 GMT) and the second blast occurred 10 to 15 minutes later on a street about 300m (300yds) away, police spokesman Kjell Lindgren said.

A man was found dead near the site of the second explosion and two people with minor injuries were also found nearby.

Asked if the dead man had somehow blown himself up, Mr Lindgren said: "It is possible."

Unconfirmed reports in Sweden's Aftonbladet newspaper said the man was carrying pipe bombs, as well as a backpack full of nails.

Another police spokesman, Ulf Johansson, told the BBC police would not rush to judgement.

"We need more investigation and of course we need more witnesses to give us the information of what actually has happened," he said.

He said the car had contained gas canisters and had "exploded with a series of minor explosions".

The identities of the dead man and those injured have not been released.
'Stomach injury'

A former employee of the Associated Press news agency, Gabriel Gabiro, was close to the second blast.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

There was a man lying on the ground with blood coming out in the area of his belly”

End Quote Gabriel Gabiro Witness

"I saw some people crying, perhaps from the shock," he told the agency.

"There was a man lying on the ground with blood coming out in the area of his belly, and with his personal belongings scattered around him."

A trained medic named only as Pascal also said the man appeared to have a stomach injury.

"It looked as if the man had carried something that exploded in his stomach," he said on the website of newspaper Dagens Nyheter.

"He had no injuries to the face or body in general and the shops around were not damaged."

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STOP ALL MUSLIM IMMIGRATION NOW, BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

Listen to yourself *sigh*
Difference between me and you son, is that I speak facts but you speak your biased opinion and are not willing to accept the reality. I say something, you ignore it and bring up another issue.
1. Difference is the Maoists attack India, they want their own state, country ect. Nothing to do with this son, stay relevant.
2. Whether or not Kashmiris like being part of India is irrelevant, the majoirty want to be part of India contrary to what you believe, they are free to leave and head to Pakistan. How can you bring up history 20 years ago, this is has nothing to do with the discussion stay relevant. The ISI has no right to interfere with the internal affairs of India, they should really concentrate in elimination hostilities before trying to gain more territory.
3. You find an article, I can find a dozen. If you believe Pakistan is a successful country, well :\ Your disregarding Wikipedia and numerous sources again for what you want to believe.
4. No one cares if its the most stable entity within Pakistan, what has that got to do with anything? If Hitler was stable does it justify his actions? Listen to yourself. I'm getting tired of this and its getting late.
5. When I said no one really knows what the ISI is up to I mean NO-ONE, not even its government.

Your deviating from the argument and bringing others in because you cannot argue for the initial points any more. You fail to admit any flaws with the ISI, thats how I know your biased and you support terrorist activity against India.
Even President Bush said "Who is in charge of the ISI?"