Why are people so ignorant about suicide and depression?

You know you can have an illness and be attention seeking. It doesn't make it any less valid.

I would ENCOURAGE people to post how they feel, not dismiss it. It means people can actually help them and they can take advice.

I think people should take cries for help seriously, and not instantly dismiss how a person feels.

People might ignore help for different reasons. What if the very people offering you help, where the ones to abuse you? Or hinder your recovery?
Someone might feel unable to get help, for fear of being ostracized or because they don't trust the help given. Do the people still "did i not deserve what they got"?

"If the treatment doesnt work then new treatment will need to be made"
There are only so many treatment available, do those people deserve what they get, if the system fails them?

And i think you are ignorant because you are arguing with someone you agree with. Despite my apparent lack of knowledge on mental illnesses, we both agree that we should try to treat these people. Does it matter if i dont completely empathise with these people. Treat them, dont let them kill themselves. You lot generally seem either ignorant or stupid, arguing with someone you agree with!

erm, we are on student room, be real hardly a cancelling site. Furthermore, they mostly aren't cries of help, just loners being depressed about minor issues like how they got dumped. Deal with your own problems, don't shove them onto other people.

Complaining about ignoring your argument when you AGAIN ignore mine.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28911316&postcount=151

That is my initial post to you, you'll notice I wasn't responding to any question over whether people could kill themselves, I was responding to your ridiculously ignorant posts about how people are weak and apparently pulling themselves together will help. I also responded to your assertions about how taking the medication isn't a cure-all (which you haven't replied to me about yet, nor do I think you will I should add ).

Don't make **** up, I didn't "avoid" your "initial question", I did nothing of the sort because you hadn't asked that in the post I replied to - that is right there for everyone to see. You are the one avoiding things, not me. I've written 3 long posts to you explaining firstly why you're wrong and secondly my position, what did I get back, some crap about ignoring you.

I like to help people, yes very much, which you would have noticed had you bothered to read my 3rd reply to you, you know the one where I say how it's only ok for people to kill themselves if they've tried to get help and the help doesn't help them. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about, I know you don't just take a pill and every mental problem is magically solved.





Isn't a very nice thing to say.

I know people like you anyway, you'll argue all day how euthanasia is fine and dandy for physical things but you don't "allow" (lol) it for mental because mental doesn't hurt apparently, it doesn't wreck lives, it doesn't make waking up in the morning a feeling of regret and hate. Oh wait actually it does, only you've never experienced it and you're too ignorant and misinformed to bother to ever find out. If you were to experience it first hand, hell yeah you'd change your tune pretty fast. I don't think karma is a bad thing, no.

I may get flamed for this and i don't care. Those who claim to be depressed and moan and moan and moan and moan about it, i don't believe are really depressed, those who are really depressed, who have been medically diagnosed and had treatment for depression (like myself and my best friend) are actually really good at hiding it, for the most part they don't want people to know hence why so many depressed people go without treatment for so long.

But this doesn't answer my question. What if the people offering helped abused you or hinder you so you don't use help offered, or not accept help for fear of being ostracized, are they still in your opinion 'deserving of what they get' ?

No they arent deserving of what they get. Although i cant see why the people trying to help you would abuse or hinder you, thats not really helping is it? Help would come from someone who genuinely wants to help you, someone thats abusing you wouldnt genuinely want to help. Someone that doesnt accept help for fear of being ostracised is ridiculous, they probably have these feelings due to their mental disorder anyway, in which case they probably arent safe to be around and should be taken in. Thats what mental asylums are for. For the paranoid schizophrenic who refuses help. That answer your question?

Lol dont worry im not going to neg you. Ive been saying all along these people should be treated. Thats no different to what you said. I understand it will take time, but if a successful treatment can eventually be given, than it was worth the wait wasnt it? Although i suppose the same could be argued for people who are euthanised.

I completely disagree. But you can be unemphatic as you want to be :P

I'll tell you my personal perspective. I have been through the various mental health services sometimes inpatinet, and some staff there were abusive.

But they also tried to 'help' by giving out meds and therapy. Therefore, I have an aversion to accepting 'help'. If I commit suicide, do i therefore deserve what i get? (not saying I will, just using it as an example)


So say if I am depressed but I'm frightened of other people knowing and bullying me about it, its therefore ridiculous i avoid drawing attention to myself by getting help, as other people could find out?
ha, wow.

Sorry, you are very ignorant of mental health services in general. For one, they are not call asylums anymore :P

I was more worried about randomers negging me :P

Some disagreements just about suicide I think we have:
1. I don't believe people who commit suicide are weak. Neither is suicide for cowards.
2. I believe that in some circumstances, suicide is the most rational response. Their right to control their own life is more important than the state forcing them to live when they do not want to.

Why should that be anything to be pitied? I think its remarkable that something as complex and innately human as the human 'mind' can ultimately be boiled down to intricate biochemical cascades both within cells and between them.

i'm a woman. we multitask.

You cannot prove it! you're basing on purely scientific theory. Transcend a bit. I don't mean get religious, I mean reality is nothing without the abstract.

To understand reality truly, you must be realistic.

Realistic means believing in what is proved. No amount of spiritual beliefs have ever been proved. You can spend your whole life chasing transcendence, and miss the real wonders that exist right here.

Reality is intricate, wonderful and incredible. It is everything without the abstract. In fact, the abstract so often pales in comparison, and draws away attention from real wonder, sapping it away like a parasite.
For example, the abstract view that humans are separate from other animals, and that we are purposeful, has caused so many to not appreciate the complex nature of evolution. That is of course an extreme example.

I could never comprehend why anyone would ever reach a point where they are considering suicide. Killing yourself is so unnatural but it's by no means a weak or wrong thing. If someone came to me telling me they wanted to off themselves I'd automatically try and stop them and prevent it...but really what position am I in to do that? Am I wrong or are they wrong?
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