Would/Do you call your Dentist .. Dr?
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Original post by electricjon
Original post by electricjon
Well it sounds like they will have done ILS or ALS then, in which case, they are easily better and more competent than a medical graduate who hasn't. "First aid" however implies BLS, which is really nothing too impressive - most lay people have a basic grasp of 30 chest compressions to 2 rescue breaths.
They got told that there is a really low rate of success when doing that method for over a certain amount of time.. Think they're supposed to do something else. But all dentists should know this in case of an emergency in the practice. They're working in the mouth, patient could choke if something went wrong, they're injecting stuff, patient could be allergic. They're patients are nervous which could cause an anxiety attack..epilepsy could occur etc. I wasn't saying they're better/less qualified than medics at all, just correcting you
. I can't imagine an old school dentist saying "call me Steve" though, it'd be disrespectful in my eyes to call him by his first name too, and he should hold the same respect to me (edited 13 years ago)
I'm not quite sure I follow you. BLS/ILS/ALS are internationally recognised. Low success rates when doing that method for over a certain amount of time? I'm confused.
If a dentist has to get additional medical help because of an emergency that happens in his dental practice, and he/she is unable to deal with it themselves, then I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Doctor. If they can, whether it be through possession of ILS/ALS or otherwise, then they can call themselves Doctor and I will have no objection to that.
If a dentist has to get additional medical help because of an emergency that happens in his dental practice, and he/she is unable to deal with it themselves, then I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Doctor. If they can, whether it be through possession of ILS/ALS or otherwise, then they can call themselves Doctor and I will have no objection to that.
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by electricjon
Original post by electricjon
I'm not quite sure I follow you. BLS/ILS/ALS are internationally recognised. Low success rates when doing that method for over a certain amount of time? I'm confused.
If a dentist has to get additional medical help because of an emergency that happens in his dental practice, and he/she is unable to deal with it themselves, then I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Doctor. If they can, whether it be through possession of ILS/ALS or otherwise, then they can call themselves Doctor and I will have no objection to that.
If a dentist has to get additional medical help because of an emergency that happens in his dental practice, and he/she is unable to deal with it themselves, then I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Doctor. If they can, whether it be through possession of ILS/ALS or otherwise, then they can call themselves Doctor and I will have no objection to that.
Fair enough
we'll just have to agree to disagree I'd say Dentists and Doctors are in the same league, neither is better than the other. You'll get both tho 
And I can't remember the first part very well 
Calling a dentist 'doctor X' will only increase the gap between the patient and professional.. so patients will almost consider you higher up than them.
..Not a good way to build bonds!
..Not a good way to build bonds!
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Original post by electricjon
Then good for him. I'd be more than happy to address him as Doctor.
Just because he can do advanced first aid? What about those of us with other qualifications?
I just call my dentist her name, Fiona.. I still see my school dentist though - despite being in my 2nd yr of Uni!
Original post by Ayshizzle
What about those of us with other qualifications?
Like what?
Original post by No Future
Or anaesthetist. They're pretty useful to have around
Definitely wouldn't want this one around...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXzeRL7F-fY
Original post by electricjon
Like what?
Like phlebotomy etc. I'm an assistant practitioner myself (although I guess i'd give that up when i'm a qualified dentist)
Original post by Ayshizzle
Haha, but tbh it's usually the other way round
Or this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notKtAgfwDA
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Would you call a phlebotomist a doctor?
Original post by electricjon
Would you call a phlebotomist a doctor?
No but I wouldn't call first- aider's doctors either? Far from it, in fact.
I'm not saying I would either. But if a dentist had ILS or ALS I would be happy to call them a doctor.
Original post by electricjon
That depends on what level of life support he can provide. Graduates of medicine and dentistry can provide basic life support (aka first aid). Newly qualified hospital doctors may take additional qualifications in intermediate life support or advanced life support, either voluntarily or as a compulsory requirement by their employer, whereas dentists probably wouldn't if they are thinking about becoming a GDP.
I can provide emergency life-support, defibrillator and all that malarkey, so I'd be pretty decent at responding to an emergency on a plane. I've heard many doctors are, by their own admission, useless first aiders/ providers of emergency life support. A friend of mine is an ETA, and he was on a train the other week when a woman went into labour. The only qualified doctor that responded to the call for medical help walked away as "he hadn't seen a birth in years".
Original post by Ayshizzle
Actually she did standard VT then got an SHO post. And sat MJDF somewhere along the way I imagine.
This in no way contributes to the discussion but I felt the need to correct you anyways
This in no way contributes to the discussion but I felt the need to correct you anyways
Ugh I got confused with all the talk of DF1 we had with her afterwards. Still, I give you brownie points for choosing me to save you on a plane
Original post by electricjon
I'm not quite sure I follow you. BLS/ILS/ALS are internationally recognised. Low success rates when doing that method for over a certain amount of time? I'm confused.
If a dentist has to get additional medical help because of an emergency that happens in his dental practice, and he/she is unable to deal with it themselves, then I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Doctor. If they can, whether it be through possession of ILS/ALS or otherwise, then they can call themselves Doctor and I will have no objection to that.
If a dentist has to get additional medical help because of an emergency that happens in his dental practice, and he/she is unable to deal with it themselves, then I don't think they should be allowed to call themselves Doctor. If they can, whether it be through possession of ILS/ALS or otherwise, then they can call themselves Doctor and I will have no objection to that.
What about if a GP in their practice came across an emergency that they couldn't deal with? Would you not call them doctor? The fact that it's an emergency situation sort of goes hand-in-hand with "I can't deal with this, I need extra assistance".
Original post by electricjon
I'm not saying I would either. But if a dentist had ILS or ALS I would be happy to call them a doctor.
Is life support the qualifying criteria to be called doctor now?
Hmm, i'd much rather a dentist calls themselves doctor than some douche who wrote his PhD on how many times the word "tree" is mentioned in the Bible.
Original post by PandyAndy
Still, I give you brownie points for choosing me to save you on a plane
Was that said on purpose?
I'd choose you over a GP or neurosurgeon or something. I'd still take a paramedic over you if there was one there.
Original post by PandyAndy
What about if a GP in their practice came across an emergency that they couldn't deal with? Would you not call them doctor? The fact that it's an emergency situation sort of goes hand-in-hand with "I can't deal with this, I need extra assistance".
I suppose you're right. I don't have much respect for GPs anyway, and they do share equal prescribing rights with GDPs. The BDA's obsession with the courtesy-title-Doctor issue is just as applicable to deskilled GPs, ophthalmologists or any other medical subspecialty, it's just that no-one seems interested in questioning medical graduates who are useless at helping in emergencies.
Original post by Ayshizzle
Is life support the qualifying criteria to be called doctor now?
Hmm, i'd much rather a dentist calls themselves doctor than some douche who wrote his PhD on how many times the word "tree" is mentioned in the Bible.
Was that said on purpose?
I'd choose you over a GP or neurosurgeon or something. I'd still take a paramedic over you if there was one there.
Hmm, i'd much rather a dentist calls themselves doctor than some douche who wrote his PhD on how many times the word "tree" is mentioned in the Bible.
Was that said on purpose?
I'd choose you over a GP or neurosurgeon or something. I'd still take a paramedic over you if there was one there.
Haha it wasn't funnily enough, but with hindsight you have too many brownie points already
.I'd choose a paramedic over most people in an emergency medical situation. It was funny seeing those medical students in Gatecrasher last year after their friend got hit on the head with a bottle. Useless
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