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Need help with Q6

I differentiated to get: (x^2)(3lnx+1)

So x^2=0 and
3lnx+1=0

If I solve 3lnx+1=0 I get x= e^(-1/3) which I think is wrong

So I don't know what to do?
Reply 1
Hello :smile:

You need to recognise this is differentiation by parts. So,
y=x^3lnx
dy/dx=3x^2 (lnx) + x^3 (1/x)

Therefore,
dy/dx=3x^2 (lnx) + x^2
Reply 2
Then to find the min pt.
gradient is 0
3x^2 (lnx) + x^2 = 0

x^2 ( 3x (lnx) + 1) = 0

x=0 or 3x (lnx) = -1

For you to have -1. 3x has to be negative as lnx cannot be negative. This means x has to be negative. But you can't ln a neg number. Hence that solution is NA.

I'll explain in more detail if it didn't make sense :smile:

EDIT: sorry I made a mistake
it is 3lnx=-1

so x=e^-1/3

which means you are right! yipee and that solution is possible :wink:
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 3
Original post by keerty
Then to find the min pt.
gradient is 0
3x^2 (lnx) + x^2 = 0

x^2 ( 3x (lnx) + 1) = 0

x=0 or 3x (lnx) = -1

For you to have -1. 3x has to be negative as lnx cannot be negative. This means x has to be negative. But you can't ln a neg number. Hence that solution is NA.

I'll explain in more detail if it didn't make sense :smile:


Thats the part I'm stuck on

So 3x(lnx) =-1 is NA

So do u use x= 0? But the answer is -1/3e

I'm confused
Reply 4
If you give me a moment I'll pm you the whole working :smile:
Reply 5
Hello,

here it goes!

so it's
f(x) =x^3 (lnx)
f'(x)= 3x^2 (lnx) + x^3 (1/x)
f'(x)= 3x^2 (lnx) + x^2
Let f'(x)=0

x^2(3lnx +1)=0

x=0 or lnx= -1/3
therefore x=0 or x= e^-1/3
If you got this answer you're right! If the book says otherwise you should check with your teacher. Though I'm pretty certain you're right.

Rmb that after this you have to use the higher derivative to find out whether 0 or e^-1/3 is the min value :wink:
Reply 6
There is no way btw if you notice that you can get a neg value for x if you have lnx.
Reply 7
Original post by Vorsah
Thats the part I'm stuck on

So 3x(lnx) =-1 is NA

So do u use x= 0? But the answer is -1/3e

I'm confused


The question asks for the minimum value of the function, NOT the value of x that produces that minimum!

You need to stick your x value back into the function to check what the minimum value is :smile:
Reply 8
Original post by keerty
Hello,

If you got this answer you're right! If the book says otherwise you should check with your teacher. Though I'm pretty certain you're right.



The OP needs to complete the question by finding the minimum value itself - see my previous update :smile:
Reply 9
Ah thanks for that :smile: didn't notice that myself.
Original post by keerty
Hello,

here it goes!

so it's
f(x) =x^3 (lnx)
f'(x)= 3x^2 (lnx) + x^3 (1/x)
f'(x)= 3x^2 (lnx) + x^2
Let f'(x)=0

x^2(3lnx +1)=0

x=0 or lnx= -1/3
therefore x=0 or x= e^-1/3
If you got this answer you're right! If the book says otherwise you should check with your teacher. Though I'm pretty certain you're right.

Rmb that after this you have to use the higher derivative to find out whether 0 or e^-1/3 is the min value :wink:


My calculation tells me the same thing. After determining which of the x is a minimum value so you calculate the minimum value of f(x). Did you manage to get the answer, OP?

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Reply 11
Original post by sneha.vag
My calculation tells me the same thing. After determining which of the x is a minimum value so you calculate the minimum value of f(x). Did you manage to get the answer, OP?

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Yeah

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