MI5 Boss: IS Planning UK Mass Casualty Attacks

On probability I think we can be extremely confident that there are. Saying you don't know is quite disingenuous - that just means to say we can't be certain. We don't need 100% certainty to be extremely confident though and all the evidence points to a continue Muslims terrorist threat.


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We don't need 100% certainty to be extremely confident though for say a non Muslim terrorist threat. WHat exactly are you getting at here?

Of course all you have repeated is that we can be extremely confident and justified in believing in something without having 100% certainty.

However, you actually have to posit reasons or evidence which still points to none Muslims terrorist threats. This is what we base our probability on. The possibility that there are non Muslim threats doesn't mean they are likely.

For Muslim threats, it's not that they are likely because they are possible but likely because of much, cumulative evidence.

And the most important point is, there could be real non Muslim terrorist threats but that does nothing to affect Muslim threats. Regardless, the threat is very high and you have not offered any reason to suggest otherwise. We are absolutely justified in believing that Muslim terrorist threats are likely.


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What's your point?

That there are currently muslims in the UK planing to slaughter as many innocent civilians as they can

down play this all you like but doesn't change this fact.

Let me rephrase this. What are you suggesting we do? And no those other threats do nothing to affect Muslim threats, but the thing is, you are singling out Muslim threats as if they are the only threat..

That there are currently muslims in the UK planing to slaughter as many innocent civilians as they can

down play this all you like but doesn't change this fact.

No it doesn't change that, but you are SINGLING out Muslims as if to say only Muslims do this.

I think the realisation of how bad the threat is, is paramount. Different types of threats will of course need different approaches.

Well you are confusing focusing on a contemporary, dangerous threat that deserves attention and using the threat to downplay other threats. I would guess you are Middle Eastern? South East Asian? I only say this because that is where Islam has a significant chunk of its adherents there and (whether you are Muslim or not) you seem to be offended when the real and obvious threat of Islam is brought up - as though it is a personal attack on your identity and culture.


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I am not "downplaying the threat" I was saying that Muslim terrorism isn't the ONLY terrorism to hurt the UK. It is you who singles out Muslim terrorism.

I don't think my ethnicity is particularly relevant to you. Besides, you assume ethnicity = particular religion....

Sure, I won't press you if you don't want to reveal personal information, but it is demonstrable that where you are born correlates strongly with religion. Funnily enough, ethnicity correlate almost completely with where you are born. Because of the strong statistical base, the assumption is completely justified.


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That's the difference between say the law, the MI5 and the police. They don't assume things however "Justified" they want actual concrete evidence, therefore you can't really claim any thing regarding my ethnicity (I may be white English, I may be Pakistani, I may be Indian) I might be Atheist, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, ex Muslim, Hindu. What does it matter?)

I don't mind getting slaughtered. As long as it is in a Halal manner I'm perfectly ok with it.

Or so the lefties tell me I should be anyway.

If the head of MI5 is saying that then that is obviously very worrying.

They come out and say the same damn thing every few months or so, usually and by sheer coincidence right around a time they are trying to get some new surveillance powers granted.

Want less security monitoring? Have less immigration of hostile cultures.

Apart for the attack on Lee Rigby and the Glasgow airport attacks

Some failed attempts and some of these got really close to being successful
[*]2006 28 September: Talbot Street bomb-making haul
[*]2007 1 February: The 2007 Plot to behead a British Muslim soldier
[*]2007 29 June: 2007 London car bombs.
[*]2008 27 February: British police thwarted a suspected plot to kill Abdullah of Saudi Arabia during a state visit to Britain in the year 2007 a senior officer said.
[*]2012 June: Five Muslims plotted to bomb an English Defence League rally in Dewsbury but arrived late and were arrested when returning to Birmingham. A sixth was also convicted.^[33]
[*]2013 April: As part of Operation Pitsford 11 Muslims are jailed for a plotting terror attack involving suicide Bombers.^[34]

This.

A lot of scaremongering in the media. We haven't seen an attack on UK soil since 7/7. As terrible as that attack was, that was ten years ago. To deny migrants access on that premise seems like overkill.