'High quality' unis to increase tuition fees

Yes I am aware as I used to recruit nurses. Please do some research. You get a higher loan if you live in London to help with this and there are plenty of part time jobs in London.

Putting 'case closed' adds zero force to your extremely poorly researched 'arguments'. Good luck in nursing interviews when you don't understand how the NHS works.

I saw you're doing a BTEC...that explains A LOT.

If you say so.

Tbh, the focus on this thread was bout uni tuition fees and I have put my point across clearly.

As a visiting fellow at a university (electronic engineering) I can assure you that students are paying for a piece of paper more than anything else. Over 90% of what students do is self study which they can do equally well in their own living room without having to enrol at a university. At £9000 a year buying your own electronic test equipment starts to look like a very good investment.

The truth behind the rise in tuition fees is to pay for a black hole in pensions of retired lecturers that most students will never meet.

Online educational courses and institutions have the potential to condemn much of the bricks and mortar university complex to the scrapheap of history. The most significant barriers are snobbery from employers who won't accept qualifications from these institutions and students who want to attend university for the social life.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-34733096



Is this a return to a two tier system where the best education is a reserve for the wealthiest?

Yes you have - but your point is awful and I have contested it with reasoned arguments, to which you have no reply. Saying 'oooh case closed' doesn't mean you are right and adds nothing to your argument. It just means you cannot argue back when people have a response to your views. It's a good thing you're not going into law.

So equality of opportunity slips ever further into the distance. There are certain professions that gets shut down to the working and lower middle class. That's the point I'm making. Also working class kids who's parent did not go to uni are more likely to get dazzled by the drive to get everyone into uni. My parents new the importance fo the subject in employability afterwards, Mum did history, had to train as an accountant, Dad did chemistry and walked into a job. So I learned form their experience. (I know I am unemployed but physics is considered an employable subject ) Working class kids who's parents know none of this are more likely to end up doing degrees that are less likely t lead to graduate employment.

When there are countries like Denmark that manage to pay their students, never mind a debt free system I will never get behind the way we are going with regards to higher education. It is a choice, not a necessity. Current tuition levels don't even over the entire cost of courses anyway, especially in the 'useful' science/enginnering/medicine subjects even if the graduates pay it all back, which they are not obliged too if they never earn enough. What do you want? A move to increased debt and mandatory repayment like in america?

My main objection to it is that perpetuates an unequal society to be even more unequal in opportunity and outcome.

You haven't responded to the points I have made properly. Back to your BTEC.

So equality of opportunity slips ever further into the distance. There are certain professions that gets shut down to the working and lower middle class. That's the point I'm making. Also working class kids who's parent did not go to uni are more likely to get dazzled by the drive to get everyone into uni. My parents new the importance fo the subject in employability afterwards, Mum did history, had to train as an accountant, Dad did chemistry and walked into a job. So I learned form their experience. (I know I am unemployed but physics is considered an employable subject ) Working class kids who's parents know none of this are more likely to end up doing degrees that are less likely t lead to graduate employment.

When there are countries like Denmark that manage to pay their students, never mind a debt free system I will never get behind the way we are going with regards to higher education. It is a choice, not a necessity. Current tuition levels don't even over the entire cost of courses anyway, especially in the 'useful' science/enginnering/medicine subjects even if the graduates pay it all back, which they are not obliged too if they never earn enough. What do you want? A move to increased debt and mandatory repayment like in america?

My main objection to it is that perpetuates an unequal society to be even more unequal in opportunity and outcome.

Edit: I've just been looking into it and countries in the European economic area can get free degrees at Denmark... I wonder how that is for post grad... Their science courses are in English as well.

I have done my A levels, now studying at university.

Yes I am aware as I used to recruit nurses. Please do some research. You get a higher loan if you live in London to help with this and there are plenty of part time jobs in London.

Putting 'case closed' adds zero force to your extremely poorly researched 'arguments'. Good luck in nursing interviews when you don't understand how the NHS works.

I saw you're doing a BTEC...that explains A LOT.

BTECs have much better employability statistics than A levels for both graduates and non graduates.

I did a BTEC and I'm a second year at a top 20 uni on track for a first in Computer Science, the BTEC I did was much better preparation than the equivalent A level courses (Computing, IT etc.).

Sometimes taking practical subjects is more beneficial I question why you would judge someone for making a clearly good choice? A levels mean nothing past just getting into university, BTEC provides that aswell as giving you tangible, practical skills that will still benefit you when you go into the workplace, working full time is much harder than sitting in a classroom for a few hours a week trust me, and the skills you acquire make the transition from education to work much easier.

I'm still p***ed off that, although I'm a UK passport holder and have lived there for several years, just because my parents came out to the middle east for their work, I have to pay 26k a year.

Were they paying tax back to the UK government?

You haven't responded to the points I have made properly. Back to your BTEC.

Snob alert snob alert snob alert *siren*