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But that's rather different from overthrowing the government, otherwise we'd have to class every historical rebel group ever as "terrorist", which would render it pretty much empty as a term.

Slavery was two hundred years ago, you're making out as though segregation laws and slavery are the same thing.

I'm aware that it would have been horrible for those people but most of those people are now in their 50's if not older. America is a very different place today, it's not the 1950's anymore and most African Americans won't have any experience of living like that so in my view that's not a justification for anything.

Yet again you continue to exaggerate: 'basically all of the parents pulled their kids out of the school'. You keep trying to teach me history I'm aware of while ignoring my point; the vast majority of African Americans have never experienced that level of racism and never will so there's no reason it should be an excuse or a cause for sympathy for those who commit crime.



Some still suffer as a result of racism but racism doesn't exist because slavery did; slavery existed because of racism. The problems some African Americans have today aren't as a result of slavery.


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If it wasn't for slavery Black Americans wouldn't be in America and thus these issues wouldn't exist.

So no black people have emigrated the USA? Yes there'd be fewer African Americans but there'd still be some


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Majority of Black Americans are as a result of the slave trade though.

Without slavery more may have emigrated through choice. Without slavery JFK may not have been assassinated and Barack Obama might have worked in McDonalds. You can never really say what might have been different today if historical events hadn't happened


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Good point but I was specifically referring to issues among Black Americans which are partially linked to slavery.

But without slavery Africans may have emigrated through choice, white people would still have been racist


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I've made my point, that's all I have to say. Free African immigration would have been different as they wouldn't have been slaves so wouldn't have had the same suffering like slaves would have. Jim crow laws, KKK would most likely not have existed as they wanted blacks to remain slaves. Slavery must have happened in order for these racist agendas to exist.

Slavery is not a prerequisite of racism and xenophobia. In fact, it is the belief that your race is superior to another that leads to oppression, not the other way around. Do you not accept that racism against Africans could have existed due to mass (free) immigration?

Though I hate to use this as an example, there is growing Islamophobia in the Western world (note I said growing and did not specify how big of problem it is) and, unless I've been missing something, we haven't been shipping Muslims over from the Middle East and enslaving them first.

I've made my point, that's all I have to say. Free African immigration would have been different as they wouldn't have been slaves so wouldn't have had the same suffering like slaves would have. Jim crow laws, KKK would most likely not have existed as they wanted blacks to remain slaves. Slavery must have happened in order for these racist agendas to exist.

The Jim Crow laws existed because black people were still, by and large, seen as less human than white people. The KKK exists because some white people see every other race, particularly black people, as being below them. Slavery existed because black people were dehumanised because they were seen to be uncivilised. All of those things exist because of racism not slavery


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My point was specific to Black Americans. I was referring to the KKK being made. Slavery had to have happened in order for such an organisation to exist. That's all i have to say. I stand by my point.

I agree that the KKK would likely not exist but that is just how history works.

However, we cannot say for certain that a similar highly-racist and violent organisation would not have arisen even if the mass enslavement of Africans did not happen.
You cannot honestly say that uncontrolled immigration (for example) of Africans to America would not have stirred up similar feelings of hatred which manifested itself as a highly organised movement.

That's beside the point. We're debating what is the definition of terrorism and whether it's applicable to the Black Panthers.

By the principle of reductio ad absurdum, a definition can be dismissed if shown to have absurd implications. Though in this case I don't think the problem is so much with the definition itself, but rather with what appears to be your misinterpretation of it.

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I'll refer you to my previous post.

My point remains. I am using a perfectly legitimate line of argument.