Israeli Soldier Elor Azaria Guilty of Manslaughter of Disarmed Palestinian

Yes but they dont have to go beyond it. The threat of Hamas only rose as they continued to expand their territory and continued to subject the Palestinians to oppression.

I accept the fact that they won the war, and it was a bloody terrific plan attacking first with such brutality. But you cant blame Palestinians and punish them for what the Jordanians did.

The most legitimate claim it could possibly have. Israel fought and won its independence in 1948 against several hostile Arab armies who rejected the peace deal that would have seen two separate states, one Arab and one Jew, established. Israel fought again in 1967 and 1973 against fascistic Arab regimes hell-bent on its destruction. Time and time again the Arabs of Palestine have affirmed their determination to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Not really. It seems to me that Israel is criticised simply for defending itself.

The most legitimate claim it could possibly have. Israel fought and won its independence in 1948 against several hostile Arab armies who rejected the peace deal that would have seen two separate states, one Arab and one Jew, established. Israel fought again in 1967 and 1973 against fascistic Arab regimes hell-bent on its destruction. Time and time again the Arabs of Palestine have affirmed their determination to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Nonsense. Of course they have to go beyond the pre-1967 borders, because those borders can't be defended by modern weaponry.

The rise of Hamas is the fault of the Palestinian people for voting them into power and not Israel.



The Palestinians collaborated with the invading Arab regimes to kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. They lost, they were displaced and they lost all the land that they could have enjoyed if they hadn't tried to destroy Israel.

See, if you identify as a "liberal democracy" you will be scrutinized more heavily than a proclaimed "dictatorship". A liberal democracy entails certain qualifications that it must meet to be classed as one.This is why Israel breaching human rights etc is held to a higher degree than let's say Somalia. A liberal democracy entails justice and the respect of human dignity and autonomy. In the case mentioned above it appears such ideals were breached. Fine, if you believe Israel is criticised too harshly maybe it should stop labelling itself a liberal democracy and leave the club?

This is an analagous example of my point. Israel is not part of the NPT. Iran is. Therefore Iran can be criticised more heavily in terms of its nuclear power programme, compared with Israel, because it is bound to certain laws etc which it must adhere to in order to be apart of the NPT.

Do you understand?

How can it not be defended? wtf. You're struggling to come up with a reasonable reason apart from defending extreme Zionist ideologies.

Hamas only attacked when israel made the first unnecessary move.

Again, you're talking of punishing palestinians for events that occurred over 50 years. You're basically admitting that the continued occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is nothing more than revenge. It's illegal.

Justifying this is like justifying making Germany pay reparations to jews for what the Nazis did. It's pathetic and a primitive and devolved way of thinking which reveals that you have no legitimacy in what you're saying. You have a deep hatred for palestinians and muslims.

By comparing Israel with Hamas as equals you are essentially saying Israel is a terrorist state.

You can't call Hamas a terrorist organisation and then justify Israeli action with " Hamas is worse", it's hypocritical.

Might take a note of the fact the soldier was convicted by an Israeli court... The time to worry is when this shitstorm becomes legal and policy.

Might take a note of the fact the soldier was convicted by an Israeli court... The time to worry is when this shitstorm becomes legal and policy.

Some senior officials officials have been encouraging Israeli soldiers and police to kill Palestinians they suspect of attacking Israelis even when they are no longer a threat, Human Rights Watch said today in an analysis of those statements. Other Israeli officials have failed to repudiate the calls for excessive use of force.

The standards to which Israel is held are super-human and unfair. Israel does everything it can to respect and uphold liberal values whilst simultaneously fighting a vicious, decades-long terrorist campaign by a people that refuses to recognise its existence and has sworn to wipe it off the face of the earth - and are quite happy to sacrifice their own lives in doing so.

There is no moral equivalence between the Islamic Republic of Iran, a squalid, fascist, apocalyptic Islamist regime which is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, and Israel. I have no problem with Israel having nuclear weapons because Israel is a liberal democracy and I trust them not to actually make use of those weapons except as a last resort. Iran cannot be invested with such trust, because it is run by people who would have no moral qualms about using nuclear weapons to further their goals, and are quite happy to risk nuclear armageddon in the process.

I was kicked out of school for asking for a glass of juice at the holocaust memorial centre

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Palestine has no right to exist insofar as the vast majority of Palestinians support Islamism and terrorism. First the Palestinians must be re-educated to reject Islamism and terrorism and embrace Western, liberal values. Then perhaps they can have their own state.

Unfortunately I doubt that'll ever happen.