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Rochdale By-election: George Galloway elected as new MP

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68402672

People's thoughts on George Galloway's success in the Rochdale by-election?
Interesting to see a third party claim victory but, based on what Ive read online about his views, does not seem to be a particularly positive thing in this case.
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Galloway is a grifter of the highest degree - he knew the demography of his constituency and played it like a fiddle. He has a good history of exploiting both his popularity with the left wing of the labour party who are undoubtedly becoming more disillusioned under Starmer presently, and also pandering to the often strong religious undertones in his communities.

As much as I dislike the man, there remains something to be said about his maverick qualities that can snag voters from seemingly many different backgrounds with his delibarately inflammatory, often anti-semitic statements. What is perhaps more concerning is the fact that people feel enthralled by it and vote accordingly.
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He is one of the pustules of British politics that just won't got away. He won't use his position to focus on local issues for the people of Rochdale, instead it will just be a platform for him to get the media attention he craves.

Highly amused that Reform put up Simon Danczuk as their candidate. Clearly targeting Rochdale's groomer demographic.
An appalling and shambolic election campaign that may mark a whole new low in British politics.
So many political bad pennies either standing for election or campaigning for fools, guttersnipe troublemakers, grubby conspiracy theorists, careerist revolutionaries and pervy creep by-election candidates.

The Rochdale fiasco highlighted all the worst elements of uk politics and the idiocy of all the major parties except the lib dems.
With a few of the smaller parties also daft enough to not bother properly vetting their candidates past or checking public social media histories and then suspending them when they realised what a public relations nightmare they were.

The fool of a Conservative that was on holiday and apparently had no time to spare for campaigning in the seat that he hoped to represent.
The foul idiot suspended from Labour for making "inexcusable comments" about "Jewish quarters", Israel, Gaza and Israeli flags.
The lying creep of a former Rochdale MP that Reform were stupid enough to allow to join their party and choose as their candidate. Knowing full well that he had promised never to stand for election again after lurid emails sent from his constituency email account became public knowledge and the Labour Party blocked from being selected to fight any election as a member of their party.
The moron of a retired judge from the Green Party suspended for "regrettable social media posts".
The ever despicable but very skilled political opportunist of a Workers Party of Britain candidate.
Who won the by-election with extensive campaigning efforts from his 'legit only' campaigning team of mostly SWP trots and extremely problematic activist swamp dwelling local hangers-on. The latter including all manner of loutish jerks and religious whackos.
Original post by frauschlange
Galloway is a grifter of the highest degree

This is the best way I've seen it put :rofl:
Original post by frauschlange
Galloway is a grifter of the highest degree - he knew the demography of his constituency and played it like a fiddle. He has a good history of exploiting both his popularity with the left wing of the labour party who are undoubtedly becoming more disillusioned under Starmer presently, and also pandering to the often strong religious undertones in his communities.

As much as I dislike the man, there remains something to be said about his maverick qualities that can snag voters from seemingly many different backgrounds with his delibarately inflammatory, often anti-semitic statements. What is perhaps more concerning is the fact that people feel enthralled by it and vote accordingly.
Almost all politicians are grifters/opportunists
Galloway is the Nigel Farage of the left. Both are populists and opportunists at the same time. They both talk a big game outside of politics and in the media but will jump back into politics in a heartbeat whenever it best suits them to get the most votes. I can’t see this as any benefit to the people of Rochdale. What even are his domestic policies? He also doesn’t have the greatest track record of holding down seats and will probably be kicked out in the general election this year anyway. Don’t get me wrong he is a great talker and his speech at the US senate is still up there in the greatest political moments of the last few decades but that’s about it. He’s a talker not a do-er.
Original post by Bo77 Tman
Galloway is the Nigel Farage of the left. Both are populists and opportunists at the same time. They both talk a big game outside of politics and in the media but will jump back into politics in a heartbeat whenever it best suits them to get the most votes. I can’t see this as any benefit to the people of Rochdale. What even are his domestic policies? He also doesn’t have the greatest track record of holding down seats and will probably be kicked out in the general election this year anyway. Don’t get me wrong he is a great talker and his speech at the US senate is still up there in the greatest political moments of the last few decades but that’s about it. He’s a talker not a do-er.
Exactly - both individuals do not give a flying fox about principle or integrity. They say what people want to hear regarding red hot issues both global and domestic, and are all bark and no bite. Galloway in particular campaigned on a basis of stopping the Israeli offensive in Gaza, which was 100% strategically tuned to the demography of his constituency. I and many others suspect he cares minimally about Palestinians, and only the votes that come from weaponising their situation.

What horrifies me more is the fact that a man primarily campaigning on a base of a foreign conflict (granted, one that people feel strongly about) somehow has fooled his electorate into believing that voting for him will make Israel put down its swords and go ''Aye, Galloway was right and we should stop this instant''. What concerns me again is that more often than not his support for Palestine manifested in abject anti-semitism. Sure, he had some smaller domestic priorities in his list of promises to voters, but it was thumpingly clear that Palestine was the lynchpin of his campaign. I just don't understand why a rational person would elect a candidate who cares more about a foreign issue rather than promising primarily positive change for Rochdale. Then again, I suspect many voting for him took his politically pandering bait without much further thought given they heard what they wanted to hear.

Sure, he's aggressive, doesn't give a hoot about political etiquette, and has a sharp tongue. I can understand the appeal of this when the two major parties' candidates have less personality and charisma between them than a stale prawn cracker. He just takes these attributes wherever the political pay dirt is.
Original post by frauschlange
Exactly - both individuals do not give a flying fox about principle or integrity. They say what people want to hear regarding red hot issues both global and domestic, and are all bark and no bite. Galloway in particular campaigned on a basis of stopping the Israeli offensive in Gaza, which was 100% strategically tuned to the demography of his constituency. I and many others suspect he cares minimally about Palestinians, and only the votes that come from weaponising their situation.

What horrifies me more is the fact that a man primarily campaigning on a base of a foreign conflict (granted, one that people feel strongly about) somehow has fooled his electorate into believing that voting for him will make Israel put down its swords and go ''Aye, Galloway was right and we should stop this instant''. What concerns me again is that more often than not his support for Palestine manifested in abject anti-semitism. Sure, he had some smaller domestic priorities in his list of promises to voters, but it was thumpingly clear that Palestine was the lynchpin of his campaign. I just don't understand why a rational person would elect a candidate who cares more about a foreign issue rather than promising primarily positive change for Rochdale. Then again, I suspect many voting for him took his politically pandering bait without much further thought given they heard what they wanted to hear.

Sure, he's aggressive, doesn't give a hoot about political etiquette, and has a sharp tongue. I can understand the appeal of this when the two major parties' candidates have less personality and charisma between them than a stale prawn cracker. He just takes these attributes wherever the political pay dirt is.
The relatively rational Galloway voters often do so as a form of protest vote or as an alternative to spoiling their ballot.

With most of the rest of his fan club either of an extremely irrational nature or they are likeminded opportunists keen to leap onto Galloway's bandwagon and fund him.
With many of the opportunistists sharing a few of his most unpleasant habits including the foul ideology and some of his cranky revolutionary leanings.
Original post by londonmyst
The relatively rational Galloway voters often do so as a form of protest vote or as an alternative to spoiling their ballot.

With most of the rest of his fan club either of an extremely irrational nature or they are likeminded opportunists keen to leap onto Galloway's bandwagon and fund him.
With many of the opportunistists sharing a few of his most unpleasant habits including the foul ideology and some of his cranky revolutionary leanings.
With all this being said - do you think Galloway has gotten the response he was pining for? The political fear struck into the Labour leadership, the embarassing apology to the people of Rochdale by Starmer, the expected rinsing of the Tory candidate, the speech yesterday given by Sunak concerning the rise of extremism and the undoing of British social fabric that was very obviously (though this was denied) responding to the fallout of Galloway's election? He's once again caught the attention of the two main parties and several more. He's gotten exactly the response he was hoping for. What other candidates do you think of who's election could illicit such a panicked a response from the PM?

He's living for it.
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Original post by frauschlange
With all this being said - do you think Galloway has gotten the response he was pining for? The political fear struck into the Labour leadership, the embarassing apology to the people of Rochdale by Starmer, the expected rinsing of the Tory candidate, the speech yesterday given by Sunak concerning the rise of extremism and the undoing of British social fabric that was very obviously (though this was denied) responding to the fallout of Galloway's election? He's once again caught the attention of the two main parties and several more. He's gotten exactly the response he was hoping for. What other candidates do you think of who's election could illicit such a panicked a response from the PM?

He's living for it.
Yep.
The leaders of the two main political parties have played straight into Galloway's hands and gifted him more free publicity than money can buy.

Galloway along with his campaign teams from the SWP & STWC networks invested immense time and effort into the by-election.
While the Conservatives, Labour, the Greens and Reform ran pitifully inept campaigns having chosen absolutely hopeless candidates that a savvy 4 year old could have vetted more effectively than they did.
Original post by londonmyst
Yep.
The leaders of the two main political parties have played straight into Galloway's hands and gifted him more free publicity than money can buy.

Galloway along with his campaign teams from the SWP & STWC networks invested immense time and effort into the by-election.
While the Conservatives, Labour, the Greens and Reform ran pitifully inept campaigns having chosen absolutely hopeless candidates that a savvy 4 year old could have vetted more effectively than they did.
The mainstream parties and also Reform shot themselves in the foot with their own complacency and arrogance. They expected their ''name brands'' to provide all the legitimacy to their candidates they expected. Unfortunately, this is increasingly becoming obselete especially with the widespread apathy towards the two main parties (and others such as the Lib Dems) and their lack of a clear manifesto and defining policies. If anything, the disillusionment with mainstream parties has brought the need to cultivate grassroots candidates who genuinely resonate with their communities and local issues back to the forefront.

Galloway may have not played to explicitly local issues, but he did resonate with a large section of his local community (granted, not through the best words and deeds) through his religious and cultural pandering. I have a nasty suspicion that as Britain's issues with ''parallel societies'' in several urban areas consisting of ethnic/religious minorities failing to integrate grow, there will be more Galloway types arising. Personally I think Sunak is a weak leader but we did see him in his address just about alluding to a rise in extremism going hand in hand with the mass failure of integration and the increasing lack of common unifying factors amongst modern Brits. I suspect he would have taken this point further had he not needed to factor in sounding politically incorrect.

The situation in Gaza I would say did more to expose the polarisation of British society than polarise it itself. Sunak's remarks about a descent into ''mob rule'' weren't entirely inaccurate given the alleged harassment Galloway's supporters engaged in. We are seeing more and more situations arise of candidates being elected based on their religious/cultural loyalties to their electorate rather than their political substance. Voting blocs are quite literally being demarcated across ethno-religious lines to an ever increasing extent, undoubtedly a sign of reducing rates of integration and participation in mainstream British society - hence, why Galloway ran off the issues he did.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68467359 - 'George Galloway vows his party will take Angela Rayner's seat' BBC News 4/3/24
Original post by erin11
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68467359 - 'George Galloway vows his party will take Angela Rayner's seat' BBC News 4/3/24

"making sure Keir Starmer does not win". This isn't about helping the people of Rochdale. This isn't about Palestinians.

This is about Galloway and his ego still being ****y that he got kicked out of the Labour Party 21 years ago.
Original post by Gazpacho.
"making sure Keir Starmer does not win". This isn't about helping the people of Rochdale. This isn't about Palestinians.

This is about Galloway and his ego still being ****y that he got kicked out of the Labour Party 21 years ago.
agreed
To borrow a line from Nativity! that I can't get out of my head in relation to this :rolleyes:, Galloway always said he loved Gaza, but the only thing he truly loved was himself.

It says a lot that not a single one of my most vocally pro-Palestinian friends and acquaintances has praised his election either!

(Also I don't think Ashton-under-Lyne is even very promising territory for a Galloway party!)
Original post by frauschlange
The mainstream parties and also Reform shot themselves in the foot with their own complacency and arrogance. They expected their ''name brands'' to provide all the legitimacy to their candidates they expected. Unfortunately, this is increasingly becoming obselete especially with the widespread apathy towards the two main parties (and others such as the Lib Dems) and their lack of a clear manifesto and defining policies. If anything, the disillusionment with mainstream parties has brought the need to cultivate grassroots candidates who genuinely resonate with their communities and local issues back to the forefront.

Galloway may have not played to explicitly local issues, but he did resonate with a large section of his local community (granted, not through the best words and deeds) through his religious and cultural pandering. I have a nasty suspicion that as Britain's issues with ''parallel societies'' in several urban areas consisting of ethnic/religious minorities failing to integrate grow, there will be more Galloway types arising. Personally I think Sunak is a weak leader but we did see him in his address just about alluding to a rise in extremism going hand in hand with the mass failure of integration and the increasing lack of common unifying factors amongst modern Brits. I suspect he would have taken this point further had he not needed to factor in sounding politically incorrect.

The situation in Gaza I would say did more to expose the polarisation of British society than polarise it itself. Sunak's remarks about a descent into ''mob rule'' weren't entirely inaccurate given the alleged harassment Galloway's supporters engaged in. We are seeing more and more situations arise of candidates being elected based on their religious/cultural loyalties to their electorate rather than their political substance. Voting blocs are quite literally being demarcated across ethno-religious lines to an ever increasing extent, undoubtedly a sign of reducing rates of integration and participation in mainstream British society - hence, why Galloway ran off the issues he did.
PRSOM.
I agree with most of your points.

In terms of his political MO and campaigning style since the mid 80s, George Galloway tends to be quite predictable.
Very formulaic with a very obvious pattern to both his tactics and targeted seats within England since his expulsion from Labour.
Bethnal Green, the first Bradford West campaign, Manchester Gorton, West Bromwich East, Batley & Spen and Rochdale.
My parents are revolutionary socialist tuas and have been hardcore Galloway fans since the 70s.

That said Galloway & his rotten apple allied element are far from the only ones in the UK to have attracted mass allegations of direct involvement in political campaigns infested with dirty tricks against opponent candidates and intimidatory conduct.
Nor seeking to exploit religious sectarianism and use a tradition of secular toxic tribalism to advance their own interests.
It's been going on in Northern Ireland for more than 50 years and Tower Hamlets for almost 17 years.
With a powerful resurgence occurring within the DUP since the pandemic and some despicable conduct from TUV thugs outside voting venues & practically on the doorsteps of premises frequented by senior orange order personnel.
A lot of people seem to dislike the fact that he has been elected. I don't really see the issue though. Voters in Rochdale clearly care a lot about the UK's stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict, and they feel that Galloway will represent their views in parliament better than the candidates from other parties. He got the most votes, so he won. That's is how democracy is supposed to work isn't it...?
Original post by tazarooni89
A lot of people seem to dislike the fact that he has been elected. I don't really see the issue though. Voters in Rochdale clearly care a lot about the UK's stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict, and they feel that Galloway will represent their views in parliament better than the candidates from other parties. He got the most votes, so he won. That's is how democracy is supposed to work isn't it...?
he's a bad person. sure a win is a win. but how did he win and who is he?

he is inconsistent with a lot of his beliefs. he has backed dictators who have practically committed genocide, ie Sadam. then the war criminal Bashar, while some may want to point out the hypocrisy of the fact some leaders responsible for the deaths of many are scot-free and garner support. he's still inconsistent.

while it is respectable on how he opposed Iraq given that 99% of the justification was just lies. he probably did it for his own benefit ie media publicity. apart from this what else is there? sure he is a good speaker, charismatic compared to the current leaders, and kinda funny with the insults on both parties. he doesn't provide much domestically. he exploited one foreign situation to get his votes mainly if not all.

how is his domestic policies ( very few) , his behaviour, his big brother appearance. its clear that most of the time, he is for the media.

showing a small snippet you can see why people don't like him plus the fact he has met sadam, Hezbollah, hamas , while also meeting nigel garage and endorsing him. you get the point. to say he's a grifter is a bit unfair as he does have very strong views. he has always opposed Scottish independence from what I've seen ( more inconsistency I guess if some want to put it).but people have to admit he has been consistent on the "Palestinian cause." he has been in my opinion antisemitic. but what is true he has been consistent on Palestine, he can also claim to care much more about them, then let's say Starmer. he's a populist basically a mix of nigel and boris but on the "left".
Original post by Gazpacho.
He is one of the pustules of British politics that just won't got away. He won't use his position to focus on local issues for the people of Rochdale, instead it will just be a platform for him to get the media attention he craves.

Highly amused that Reform put up Simon Danczuk as their candidate. Clearly targeting Rochdale's groomer demographic.
He is not a groomer. Danczuk never broke any British laws. As long as he doesn't go below 16, he's all good

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