Jeremy Corbyn Popularity Sinks To 14%

It's pretty clear that the continuous underfunding of the NHS will lead to this

If people won't vote for the left, why would they support it in a revolution?

In response to the above, I am not pro-corbyn, I just wanted your opinions. I do believe some of his proposed policies are irrational however some of the things he says do make sense. The tories are doing nothing for our economy and with plans to privatise the NHS ect I feel as though a labour government, regardless of who is in leadership is the right way forward in the next G.E. (though corbyn may not be the most appropriate candidate for this)

http://uk.businessinsider.com/these-stark-new-figures-show-jeremy-corbyn-is-leading-labour-towards-disaster-2017-1

How long until Labour actually dies? Full on ceases to be the second party? I honestly think if Nuttall can pull the Kippers together Labour will cease to exist in any meaningful way after the 2020 election. As long as Labour keeps electing retrograde commies as leaders, anyway.

Jape, I always felt that you the most left-wing radical on TSR

Don't fall for tabloid and leftist propaganda. As has been said in other threads tonight, the NHS is getting above inflation increases every year.
If you believe there's a plan, I ask you to prove it. Don't base your thoughts on other people's agendas.

I think that the key problem with Jeremy Corbyn is that he is not actually a good debater in Parliament. I am unimpressed with the strength of his arguments and in particular, his counter arguments, in defense of his socialist policies. I believe that this is why the majority of parliamentary Labour Party are so against him being the leader. Incidentally, I also happen to work in Parliament and have been face-to-face with him for a good couple of hours and was rather unimpressed with his intellectual ability to advance his case. This is a real shame because he fails to do justice to socialism when it is put under the spotlight.

Its a strange paradox with Corbyn in that he doesn't appear to be a strong charismatic leader but at the same time he has managed to inspire hundreds of thousands to join the Labour Party. Ofcourse a significant proportion of these new members are of the younger generation holding strong socialist views who found somebody who was on their wavelength - someone who connected with the rebellious nature of youth. Unfortunately, Corbyn will have a tremendously difficult time in convincing the key demographic to vote for him - middle England, and this is where the 2020 General Election will be decided.

In an episode of question time John McDonnell triumphantly expressed that Jeremy Corbyn had created a socialist movement in Britain. The response from Alistair Campbell was interesting when he said, something to the effect of, movements alone do not win general elections. I think time will tell if he is correct - but I certainly dont fancy Labour chances.

You don't need to be the majority, only a bigger minority than your opposition. People may not like the idea of a leftist state, but would they give up their lives to fight it? Many leftists would give up their lives for their cause, not vice versa.

No, I am not advocating violent insurrection because that would require me to support the idea, which I do not.

But historically, it has been the best way of introducing socialist governments.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/these-stark-new-figures-show-jeremy-corbyn-is-leading-labour-towards-disaster-2017-1

How long until Labour actually dies? Full on ceases to be the second party? I honestly think if Nuttall can pull the Kippers together Labour will cease to exist in any meaningful way after the 2020 election. As long as Labour keeps electing retrograde commies as leaders, anyway.

What are you going to do, surround parliament and barrage it with vegan burgers?

Have you seen those burgers? I wouldn't want to be hit by one, God knows what's in them.

Better a weakened Labour that fights for leftist values, than a stronger Labour which is just a Tory party painted red.

Hm. Sounds like a nutty conspiracy theory to me.

May I ask why you think the Conservatives would do this?

Don't fall for tabloid and leftist propaganda. nflation increases every year.
If you believe there's a plan, I ask you to prove it. Don't base your thoughts on other people's agendas.

It's no secret that the conservatives have a general distaste of the public sector and support privatisation over nationalisation. Leaked memos from Thatcher's government recently showed that she had wanted to privatise the NHS but considered it too politically unpopular a move at the time.

Then we consider the fact that through PFIs, private firms are becoming a more permanent part of the NHS.

That's not so much a conspiracy, as general knowledge...

Ah yes our well known leftist press...

Remember who it was that was so obsessed with PFIs? It's an easy way to spend a lot of money but keep it off the books, allows a centre left government that wants to spend more than the country wants to spend to do hide the debt they're creating.

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The "somewhere in-between" isn't left-wing enough. Labour should be tapping into the wave of anti-establishment feeling, not trying to occupy the middle ground which everyone is sick of.