Seriously, is there any point? Or should I go for plan B?

This is incredibly personal to you, and most of us on here haven't been through FFL.

Why don't you finish your degree and go through officer training here in the UK?

This is incredibly personal to you, and most of us on here haven't been through FFL.

Why don't you finish your degree and go through officer training here in the UK?

Well, the main point is just asking other people what they think. I'm not asking for answers. Like I said, anything anybody who could add anything for me to consider is what I'm thinking of here.

The FFL is just something I've always wanted to do and it was something I've been warned against and my research on it has always been consistent with them. But it would be one hell of an experience.

As for officer training here in the UK, I am over 25, so I'm too old for it.

Police officers will need a degree in 2020 too won't they.

Also, degrees from non Russell Group Universities are not useless lol.

Not too old.

https://apply.army.mod.uk/how-to-join/can-i-join/age

They are bringing that policy in this year. I think after June 2018 they will all require degrees.

I am sat here right now reading for and writing an essay. I am bored out of my mind. It's frustrating because I want to be out in the field doing some work for the common good and that would be fine if this would make my application stronger.

My only concern is sitting here doing this crap until I'm 30, only to leave University and find that I'm no closer to the Police than I was when I started and again, have thousands in debt and a piece of paper that is worthless.

Oh really? Well then its best to keep a degree isn't it?

You're the only person in the history of the internet to ever say this quote.

I am for an officer.

Been to see a recruiter about it.

Am I? Degrees from Non Russell Groups are just as good? It what you do with the degree, how you apply it that matters. You're basically saying, anyone that doesn't study at a Russell Group is useless and worthless. Its the degree that matters not the University. Especially in Law as there is one governing body that all Universities have to abide by so they can't teach on their own terms.

That's a bit of a stretch. I never said that the people are useless and worthless. Not once. There's a serious dearth of jobs and opportunities in the world right now, things will be worse in the coming years. There're three Universities in the city I'm in, including a Russell Group. That means there will be approx 600 degrees awarded the same year I graduate, and 1800 within my time at Uni.

Just in one city.

It seems to me that they (the degrees, not the people) really are worth less in the grand scheme of things.

I would rather not waste my time.

Did you click on the link? Was the recruiter an officer or some who recruits near-exclusively enlisted? Could the recruiter be wrong?

I never said you did. Just thats the way its sounding.

So they all have the same student ratio?

And all the students will go into Law and the same aspect of Law?

A lot of Law students don't go onto follow Law. As shown in the number of Barristers. Its not particularly high.

Its not a waste of time.

That's fine. Most of the people on my course are bright people and they certainly have more personal intelligence and common sense than the average middle-class toff.

Doesn't mean that the hard world of employment doesn't use league tables and University brand names over getting to know them individually.



Not sure. I know that there're roughly 300 per course on mine and the other Unis based on people I know on them.

One you've taken away the drop outs and the under 2:1 grades, I'd imagine there're 200 per Uni. Based on the anecdotal knowledge I have from friends who go to the others.



Possibly not, but then again, that's 600 a year in law alone. Then all the other subjects combined, it just makes it even worse in general.

There hasn't been a single commercial litigation firm come to advertise once, just ambulance chasers, so really there's only one aspect of law that will take us anyway.

In your University? Thats bad, they advertise everywhere I've seen.

Barristers are a bad example to choose. The temples can only churn out so many a year, however the BPTC has a 90% pass rate. I wouldn't have thought that there would be a shortage of people wanting to be barristers, but there is a shortage who can actually get a pupilage.

I chose Barristers as there are only 35,000 in the UK hardly too many people.

We did a poll in class of career aspiration and about 60% chose barrister.

Again the ratio for people wanting to and becoming a Barrister must be very low.


Do you go to a non-RG?

I do indeed, I study Law also.

That's fine. Most of the people on my course are bright people and they certainly have more personal intelligence and common sense than the average middle-class toff.

Doesn't mean that the hard world of employment doesn't use league tables and University brand names over getting to know them individually.



Not sure. I know that there're roughly 300 per course on mine and the other Unis based on people I know on them.

One you've taken away the drop outs and the under 2:1 grades, I'd imagine there're 200 per Uni. Based on the anecdotal knowledge I have from friends who go to the others.



Possibly not, but then again, that's 600 a year in law alone. Then all the other subjects combined, it just makes it even worse in general.

There hasn't been a single commercial litigation firm come to advertise once, just ambulance chasers, so really there's only one aspect of law that will take us anyway.



Barristers are a bad example to choose. The temples can only churn out so many a year, however the BPTC has a 90% pass rate. I wouldn't have thought that there would be a shortage of people wanting to be barristers, but there is a shortage who can actually get a pupilage.

We did a poll in class of career aspiration and about 60% chose barrister.



Do you go to a non-RG?

Your bad attitude might prevent you becoming a lawyer. The other poster's optimism might be the reason for their success. And stop banging on about RG; no one gives a toss about it. The only reason people care one bit is because it gives them an easy excuse for why they're failing in life.

In first year, we did a poll in class about who wants to be a lawyer. About 50% of people's hands went up. For the bar, there was about 5% with hands still up.

I think the reason your cohort is struggling is because of unreal expectations and not having any idea of how to pursue those aspirations.

The type of people who visit your uni tells you little. You could do GLS or CPS, even without going into commercial litigation.

Your bad attitude might prevent you becoming a lawyer. The other poster's optimism might be the reason for their success. And stop banging on about RG; no one gives a toss about it. The only reason people care one bit is because it gives them an easy excuse for why they're failing in life.

In first year, we did a poll in class about who wants to be a lawyer. About 50% of people's hands went up. For the bar, there was about 5% with hands still up.

I think the reason your cohort is struggling is because of unreal expectations and not having any idea of how to pursue those aspirations.

The type of people who visit your uni tells you little. You could do GLS or CPS, even without going into commercial litigation.





I'm inclined to agree with you here, but at my age and life experience, I know better than to be too optimistic, that's when getting bitten hurts the most... when you're not bracing for it. I've been bitten hard quite a few times and now I know when to brace. Practically all your waking life.

I think that (and I would advise) you always look at the worst case scenario. That way you're better prepared and if the best case comes around you're more than prepared.

I'm just sick of sitting around writing essays waiting for my life to start. And while I'm sat here doing this s**t, I'm at a University that would probably get laughed at on job or LLM applications (to good Uni's).


I suppose it varies by University as to what people want to do. The point was that just because somebody wants to be a barrister, it doesn't mean they'll achieve it, therefore judging the number of barristers that are trained every year doesn't accurately show how many people aspire to it.

I'm not sure which cohort you're referring to.

If you don’t like your degree then stop it. But you will have wasted the time and money you have dedicated to it so far. Many would suggest continuing with it at least will keep more doors open than if you leave and many will close.