RMT Union begins a month of Strikes on SWR over who closes the train doors.

Bring in driverless trains already - computers won't strike.

This reminds me of the fact we have a Union of Unemployed Workers. How exactly do they go about striking?

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StriderHort

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I'm actually Scotland, but must admit i'm not keen on this guardless trains deal, it's only the presence of that 1 guard that keeps many passengers going feral tbh. and how would they stop people travelling without paying? :/

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Were Labour to be voted into government and these things would become widespread, with McCluskey being their top financier and Corbyn's declared intentions of repealing all legislation that had to be introduced to prevent the Unions from paralysing the country at will. Nationalise as much as they can, sign up as many fee-paying members as they can get their hands on and use them to bring down the Tories when they are called back in to clear up the mess in that inevitable political cycle. Most people contemplating Labour have no idea what the true consequences would be, beyond all the flummery.

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username4406682

Original post by z-hog

Were Labour to be voted into government and these things would become widespread, with McCluskey being their top financier and Corbyn's declared intentions of repealing all legislation that had to be introduced to prevent the Unions from paralysing the country at will. Nationalise as much as they can, sign up as many fee-paying members as they can get their hands on and use them to bring down the Tories when they are called back in to clear up the mess in that inevitable political cycle. Most people contemplating Labour have no idea what the true consequences would be, beyond all the flummery.

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username4986690

Original post by StriderHort

I'm actually Scotland, but must admit i'm not keen on this guardless trains deal, it's only the presence of that 1 guard that keeps many passengers going feral tbh. and how would they stop people travelling without paying? :/

Most stations have electronic barriers these days.

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StriderHort

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Original post by DiddyDecAlt

Most stations have electronic barriers these days.

That's why I specified Scotland, we tend to only use barriers for capital stations. Unless I wanted to enter a city centre, most travel would be free without guards.

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Good bloke

Original post by StriderHort

I'm actually Scotland, but must admit i'm not keen on this guardless trains deal, it's only the presence of that 1 guard that keeps many passengers going feral tbh. and how would they stop people travelling without paying? :/

Driver-only trains are used all over the world in countries from Autralia to Europe without significant problems of the sort you mention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-man_operation

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StriderHort

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Original post by Good bloke

Driver-only trains are used all over the world in countries from Autralia to Europe without significant problems of the sort you mention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-man_operation

I'm not disputing that, but that still doesn't mean I have to be keen on it. I'm basing this just on my own exp of using them (again, largely in Scotland) Booze is banned on most Scot trains btw, for good reason, we can't be trusted. Like our trains already have the significant problems i mention, often it is the presence of that 1 guard that keeps most people in line.

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Could we stop pretending this has anything to do with safety, these are political and self-serving wild strikes for the benefit of their leadership above all. One of those false narratives that everybody pays some superficial heed to just for the sake of conformity, HC Andersen wrote a story on two on the subject. Most things discussed in the public arena are just that, mirages.

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https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-02/misery-for-swr-passengers-as-union-starts-27-day-strike-in-train-guards-row/

Original post by LiberOfLondon

More like the Four Seasons of it and not by Vivaldi.

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Just my opinion

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I would rather invest in driverless trains, then sack the drivers, retrain them as guards and have two guards on each train.

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SteveObolowongai

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Original post by Andrew97

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The RMT walked out on the first of 27 days of strike action after talks collasped last week

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RMT general secretary Mick Cash said: “RMT is angry and frustrated that a set of proposals that would have guaranteed the safety-critical role of the guard at the point of despatch, and which would have cost the company absolutely nothing, have been kicked back in our faces."

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An SWR spokesman said: “We have done everything we can and more to meet the RMT’s outdated demands with our promise of a guard on every train, and a safety-critical role for that guard.

As usual the real loser here is the passenger, I understand a right to strike but 27 days on the run up to Christmas over who closes the doors is taking the mickey.

A load of **** if you ask me. But probably what we can expect fairly regularly under a union run Corbyn government.

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