Coronavirus: Disproportionate number of BAME people fined

I’m failing to understand where you got ‘sneezing on people’. And Britain has its own issues with police brutality - it was only a couple of weeks ago where an office from the Met was leaning on a black man’s neck in the same manner that had been done with George Floyd.
And what about Sean Rigg who was killed? The UK, although not on the same scale as the US, definitley has issues with police brutality.

Its a tongue in cheek remark. In that diseased people spreading the virus at these riots.
There was nothing brutal about it. Either you havent seen this case or youre being dishonest to compare it to what happened to Floyd.
What about him sorry? I cant say im familiar enough with the case to offer much of a comment aside from a cursory overview of the case doesnt show that it is similar to Police killing people in america in any way.
One example doesnt really prove your point here.. briefly kneeling on an armed criminal to arrest him hardly being "undue brutality". Unless the dictionary has changed the definition lately?


Or you're in a black neighbourhood with a significant amount of criminals in it.
The fact of the matter being that just because more blacks are searched does not mean there is some racist conspiracy behind it. The truism of correlation not being causation applying completely. Take gang crime for example, is it "racist" to say blacks are the primary offenders? No it is a simple fact. One that leads directly to the stop and search issue.
You're effectively saying let criminals get away with crime because of their race, an, ironically, racist suggestion.

of course he did. And i already asked him. He doesn't answer because his prejudice is clear.

He doesn't answer because he is banned

I have seen the case and it is used the same ‘kneeling on the neck’ technique carried out by George Floyd’s murderers. That arrest technique was never taught to police officers because it can very easily be used to kill. Had there not been people videoing the situation and repeatedly telling the police officer to get off his neck, we may have ended up in a different situation. These incidents aren’t isolated, they’re just now being filmed.
You can find plenty more examples online:
https://twitter.com/mcash/status/1269226692805120000?s=21
https://twitter.com/skzluvb0t/status/1267318940046417920?s=21

Somehow this is proof of discrimination but it's actually not. We've seen nothing but mosques open, Islamic funerals with 100+ funerals (didn't some Labour MP attend?) but ignore all that..



Also throwing everyone who isn't White into one group is pretty stupid tbh who thought that was a good idea?

Theres a difference between the two, a couple of seconds and 9 minutes speaking for themselves... For example, it is perfectly acceptable to hit a suspect with a batton to make them comply yet there is a difference between a couple of strikes and beating them to a pulp. The hold itself is not in question but the manner in which it is being used.
I'm afraid i don't see an issue in the first... now i am absolutely no fan of the police but i respect the fact they have a tough job to do with suspects who dont comply, this video being them trying to get him to relax and submit, no?
The second one i agree it looks bad. I'd be weary of making any further comment without knowing the full story though. 7 odd seconds not being particularly illuminating.

Not being an indepth expert on the subject, again, i would be weary of making comment. Suffice it to say the fact blacks lead in the crime statistics of robbery, gun possession, street crime et al. (in london at least) rather speaks for itself.
I'm curious as to how much specific areas distort the statistics for this though. There obviously going to be a whopping number of blacks searched in an area such as Barking ( as an example) vs. some wee country village and how this represents nationally.

Either way, on your last point, what exactly is your solution to this? To baselessly search more white people (which is what youve said, no?) or to simply search less blacks? There may well be an issue with stereotyping based on previous encounters (humans being the pattern engines that they are) but neither of these outcomes seems especially good.

Black people make up 3.5% of the UK population, admittedly more in certain areas of the UK, with London having the highest black population of 13.3%, but for you to search 9 black individuals and 1 white individual, it suggests that skin colour is ‘reasonable grounds’ to search. I can tell you now that it is not only black people committing crimes, but they are 40 times more likely to be searched compared to white people. I know black men who work in the NHS and are being searched by police officers more than 3 times a week. All it does is increases a communities distrust in the police.
I think you have ignored the institutional racism in the police force itself, along with your own admitted racial bias.

If you are searching 9 black people and 1 white person when black people make up 3% of the population, you are doing one of two things:
You are actively going out of your way to search black people
You are actively going out of your way to ignore the criminal activity of white people.

When are the police going to sort themselves out and treat BAME people fairly?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-52905787&ved=2ahUKEwjI1aD9sO3qAhVyt3EKHRSgBb8QFjACegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw34TECNh4llBogGVpwHQlxu&ampcf=1

It isn't. We don't search people based on their skin colour. The reason for the disproportionate statistics is that black people more likely to come to our attention and therefore we're more likely to have grounds to search them. This is what institutional racism refers to. Black people are often in a disadvantaged position, less wealth, and less prospects because society doesn't treat them equally. As a result, they're more likely to get involved in crime.

I don't have a racial bias and I find that suggestion very insulting. I search people when I have reasonable grounds to suspect they have something on them they shouldn't. I do that to keep you and the rest of the public safe. Should we not search people we think are carrying illegal things?

Stop and search shouldn't be about searching an exactly equal "proportion" of white and black, it should be about searching everyone we have grounds to search. That is what happens, nobody is searched or targeted based on their skin colour. The reason black people are disproportionately affected is that due to institutional racism, they are more likely to be involved in crime and thus more likely to end up getting searched.

Untrue because even when u factor in the increased likelihood of being in a crime the stop and search numbers are *still* disproportionate

We can only deal with what's in front of us. If we have grounds to search more black people than white people, then we search more black people than white people. What would you like us to do differently, do you want us not to search people even when we have grounds?

Imagine you saw someone carrying a knife and pointed him out to me, only for me to say "sorry mate can't search him, he's black and I've already searched 1 black person today, I need to wait until I've searched a white person for things to be equal". That would be absolutely insane and yet it appears to be what you're suggesting we do?

It isn't. We don't search people based on their skin colour. The reason for the disproportionate statistics is that black people more likely to come to our attention and therefore we're more likely to have grounds to search them. This is what institutional racism refers to. Black people are often in a disadvantaged position, less wealth, and less prospects because society doesn't treat them equally. As a result, they're more likely to get involved in crime.

I don't have a racial bias and I find that suggestion very insulting. I search people when I have reasonable grounds to suspect they have something on them they shouldn't. I do that to keep you and the rest of the public safe. Should we not search people we think are carrying illegal things?

Untrue because even when u factor in the increased likelihood of being in a crime the stop and search numbers are *still* disproportionate

Because White people aren't ones attending giant funerals, going to mosques etc...

Young white working class males are stop along with black lads all the time in my part of London when their walking around in hoodies. One 16 year old white lad was stop 3 times in one week the same as a black lad who live in the area. The white people in the area are mostly over 50 and people over 50 do not commit as much crime as people under 30.

In my sister area which on one of riches areas in the country the police have near stop any boys black/white because their almost no knife crime.