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    (Original post by Beyoncstan)
    Girl BYE!!! The only relevant person from LA is Kendrick it's 2014 not 1994! L.A is wack....ATL runs EVERYTHING hip hop related!

    50% of radio is ATL Rap
    All Black reality tv shows are from ATL
    Black TV shows are filmed in ATL

    ATL > L.A (For all things BLACK)!!!

    It's so many ****** out here form Cali. Everybody leaving Cali it's nothing but Mexicans now!
    lmao this shows how ignorant you are.
    One: This is a mostly white and Muslim thread in Britain. NO ONE CARES.

    Two: all this talk about hip hop is really lame, is that all you can claim, hip hop. :teehee: No one here cares about hip hop and Jews own your precious rappers anyway so :awesome: go to sleep clown. You're probably a fat 30 yr old woman with no man anyway yelling on a computer at the public library.
    Time to hit ignore nighty night stupid.
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    Do you know any Africans that rap better than Iggy Azalea?
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    (Original post by EdenHazard)
    Do you know any Africans that rap better than Iggy Azalea?
    I don't know any Africans that rap

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    (Original post by Andy98)
    I don't know any Africans that rap

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    Interesting. I was thinking of K'naan, he adds in some rap to some songs. I'm no rap fan though, so I don't have much of a clue.
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    (Original post by A100whoo)
    Why do you like about being black? What aspects of the culture do you like and not like?
    The chicken :drool:
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    (Original post by EdenHazard)
    Interesting. I was thinking of K'naan, he adds in some rap to some songs. I'm no rap fan though, so I don't have much of a clue.
    Macklemore and Ryan Lewis is the beast and the best.
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    (Original post by EdenHazard)
    Interesting. I was thinking of K'naan, he adds in some rap to some songs. I'm no rap fan though, so I don't have much of a clue.
    Never heard of him to be honest

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    (Original post by AngelPhys)
    Macklemore and Ryan Lewis is the beast and the best.
    No. Just no. I want to punch macklemore in the face

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    Why do black people in general smell so so nice like coconuts or something , do you think white people have a particular odor?
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    (Original post by vickidc18)
    Why do black people in general smell so so nice like coconuts or something , do you think white people have a particular odor?
    Not all but a lot of women with afro hair use coconut, shea or cocoa butter based skin and hair products. They have a characteristic chocolatey, buttery smell.

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    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    Not all but a lot of women with afro hair use coconut, shea or cocoa butter based skin and hair products. They have a characteristic chocolatey, buttery smell.

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    Oh thats what it is I might start using some myself smells gorgeous!!!
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    Do you own a Rice Cooker?
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    (Original post by Andy98)
    No. Just no. I want to punch macklemore in the face

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    (Original post by Rlove95)
    Are you really saying Caribbeans don't do weave or use relaxer? Most of the good hair salons are Caribbean. Caribbeans dominate the weave and hair industry. All you need to do is go Peckham or Lewisham (more Caribbeans than Africans there) to see how many Caribbeans wear weave. Have you never heard of the term 'yardie hair', where do you think that came from? Hairstyles that are largely worn by Caribbeans (mostly Jamaicans) that are quite extravagant with multiple colours etc.
    I've never actually heard of that term (I don't live in London...).
    I'm not denying the use of relaxer and weave. What i meant is that when I've talked to people who are african, they've said that their hair was relaxed at a very young age e.g. 4/5 years old. In the Caribbean, that's seen as unacceptable because they are too young to have chemicals in their hair and It's not seen as right to do that to children without them having a choice.
    I'm not going to deny the older women wearing weaves etc. That's them. In Jamaica, although their hair is eccentric, its kind of accepted because they are older women who made their own choice in the matter.. They wear the colourful weaves because double processing ,perhaps relaxed hair, is damaging.
    More people in the Caribbean have their hair natural, so of course you'd see Jamaican women in doing hair. Because most have been natural until their late/middle teens, they have natural hairstyles and they learn to do their own hair. Because they've learned to do hair, they've picked up a trade and so continue to exercise that trade in the shops they work in.
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    (Original post by knightmaire)
    I've never actually heard of that term (I don't live in London...).
    I'm not denying the use of relaxer and weave. What i meant is that when I've talked to people who are african, they've said that their hair was relaxed at a very young age e.g. 4/5 years old. In the Caribbean, that's seen as unacceptable because they are too young to have chemicals in their hair and It's not seen as right to do that to children without them having a choice.
    I'm not going to deny the older women wearing weaves etc. That's them. In Jamaica, although their hair is eccentric, its kind of accepted because they are older women who made their own choice in the matter.. They wear the colourful weaves because double processing ,perhaps relaxed hair, is damaging.
    More people in the Caribbean have their hair natural, so of course you'd see Jamaican women in doing hair. Because most have been natural until their late/middle teens, they have natural hairstyles and they learn to do their own hair. Because they've learned to do hair, they've picked up a trade and so continue to exercise that trade in the shops they work in.
    Most of the Jamaican hairdressers I've seen wear weave. They rarely ever have natural hair. I don't think theres much difference between Caribbeans and Africans in terms of natural hair v. weave. I think its about the same, a lot of Jamaican girls I know wear weave, infact the only person I know that has never relaxed their hair or worn weave is African. Maybe Caribbeans get their hair relaxed later on and not as young as 6 or so but I still think by 14/15, Caribbeans and Africans wear weaves or relax their hair at about the same level as eachother.
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    (Original post by Mick.w)
    yea exactly, the reason you don't brag about it is because its a different culture.
    oppressed peoples have a "david and goliath" mind set. where we are proud to have had the hard times and that we are now fighting against the odds to victory. so when you meet other poor people you understand that sometimes there's a reason people are poor and that it's not just because they're lazy or stupid. a lot of nigerians especially the recent wave of nigerians are from wealthy families in nigeria. africa can have some really troubling ideas of class. for example i've seen pictures where chiefs and kings or general tribal leaders have used other people as chairs to sit on. or have little serving minion types who cannot raise their head above their knees and stuff. there's a kinda "haha you're poor" mentality there.
    and it's annoying that some lost their riches and come over to the uk as refugees n then try and claim snob status from their rich back ground AND claim david v goliath hardship stories too.

    yea africans will insult the area. for them its a place they arrived in and want to get out of as soon as. whereas a lot of jamaicans and caribbeans had to really work and quite literally FIGHT the police and gangs of skinheads to stay where they are. so theres a sense of community history to the areas.

    yea i've heard the "you don't know you're dad" or "you got sold for a bag of salt" stuff before.

    a lot of the family issues in the jamaican community i think is there's a lot of damage still done from slavery that effects the family dynamics.

    but more importantly most of the caribbean immigrants to the uk came over SINGLE. whereas many africans have brought their whole family over.

    in fact even jamaicans who had families would still come over single as they could only afford their own trip. then they would earn their money in the uk and pay for their family to come later.

    wow taino and cuban? thats very rare. never heard it called taino i usually hear arawak. arawaks are taino though right?

    sadly most of the city jamaicans don't keep natural. or a lot of the recent jamaican immigrants to the uk don't keep natural. which is a shame.

    but yea im fully gassed about natural hair. especially how rare it is nowadays. i probably read far too much into it. but i've known too many girls who literally have never been taught how to look after their natural hair by their mothers. n i have known girls who go natural and dispell all the myths about it being easier and stuff. but when i see a girl with natural hair think either she knows how to look after it or even if she doesnt shes willing to put in the work to find out and make it work. i think theres a level of pride, confidence and dedication with natural hair thats very attractive. but at the same time i'm a fan of creativity decoration and stylish flare. but i think theres quite a difference in trying to make it look like you're natural hair is straight hair. and then customising you're hair by putting colours in or what not.

    I'm white (irish) btw.
    Irish, cool!
    The family issues are pretty recent though. It's mostly beacuse, in Jamaica, you are not seperated etc because of race etc, but by class. Because of the economy and the class struggle recently, it contributes to the struggles in family dynamic.
    Yeah, Taino and Arawak are pretty much the same thing. But there are a load of other mixes in Jamaica, so my mix would pretty much just be looked over.
    But some jamaican and Caribbeans are going back natural now as they realise that its actually not that hard.
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    (Original post by Mick.w)
    sadly i grew up in a caribbean community.

    i say sadly because its made me pretty ill equipped to blend in with whites for cultural references with slang speech and customs.
    then on the flip side i am aware that as a white person i can never fully integrate with the community i grew up around because whether i like to admit it or not others will see that race as a barrier.

    anyway's I've been able to see a lot of this from my personal experience. i guess being an outsider allows a certain out the box view. but if you look in the thread you will see jamaicans and africans confirming a lot of the points i've made.

    i noticed earlier on in school like primary in the early 90s africans blended much better. but the more recent immigrants during around 2000 had a harder time.

    i did see bullying of africans going on and did see africans saying they were jamaican to fit in. or saying stuff like they were american or south american to disguise their accent.

    i have no reason to make the stuff up. im not taking sides. although im sure someones gonna leap in the the "white man is playing divide and rule!" at some point.

    i wouldn't really class my observational posts on a forum as something of a significant cointelpro-esque propaganda campaign against black solidarity even if i was retarded enough to have such malicious intent.

    i digress

    it is something that is quite solid in my memory cause i remember my first kiss was with a zimbabwean girl. but i only found out she was zimbabwean 5 years later when i was 16. the entire time prior she told me she was jamaican.

    a close friend of mine was ugandan and during years 7 through to 9 insisted he was jamaican.

    i have more examples but i won't go on.

    i agree with you that africans and jamaicans do blend certainly more so than they do with people of different skin tone.

    but while there are similarities there are also differences.

    i have seen arguments kick off when africans are constantly saying jamaica didn't invent this or that and that it was really started in africa. where jamaicans have got kinda pissed because they felt africans were trying hitch a ride and take credit for jamaican achievements. i have also been at parties where the jamaicans had bashment playing then the afrobeats came on and all the jamaican men left with the women following soon behind.

    also privately when separated i've had awkward situations where say i've been sat with jamaicans and they've been taking the piss out africans and i've defended africans but then i was kinda surprised at a load of heat about africans selling out black people to slave owners or what would they know they are neeks or complaints about how their men are very pervy and won't give up. i'd respond saying yardies are pretty sexually aggressive too and then they'd counter respond yada yada.

    then on the flip side africans would annoyed at my affection for jamaican culture and think i was dumb for liking jamaicans and that they are bad people and would tell me stories about how the jamaicans would try to bully them while growing up or how they are stupid and lazy with how they've been in the country since wind rush and africans come over just recently and already have set up shops and businesses.

    but i remember once i was on the phone to a friend of mine (jamaican) who was in the library at uni and she was printing some work off. a guy came up to her and asked if she was done, she said no and his response was "typical ****ing jamaican" and walked off. i was quite surprised when she told me he was black. she ended up knowing people who new him and he was from Sierra Leone originally.

    but yea I think class does have a big deal. i'd be interested to know what your definition of working class or middleclass is.

    but even class aside jamaicans are worse off than africans.
    jamaicans came over long ago as hard labour.
    MANY africans come over here educated or to be educated.
    at uni i've made a lot more african friends as there's just simply not that many jamaicans.

    jamaicans also have come from more fragmented house holds typically.
    slavery was not that long ago. and im sure you can imagine the effect it has had on the family unit of post slavery families in the "new world". being forced to breed with people and then having you're children sold to another plantation a long with systematic violence will have an effect. and will follow a family for generations.

    for example in ireland a lot of people claim that their family was involved in the uprising against the english when we fought to get our independence.

    however many are lieing or their links are tenuous. most of my family actually did. as a result there's still a lot of problems echoing throughout the generations today.

    so keep in mind many jamaicans brought the emotional baggage of the broken family units with them to the uk.

    not only that but they came and were usually single without the support of family.

    in a country where there was very serious racial violence agains them and where shops had signs saying "no blacks no dogs no irish" in the windows.

    so you combine the history of past traumas with no support network in a foreign country where you're discriminated against and at risk of violence because of you're race.

    things are not going to be too good.

    so a lot of relationship attempts broke down and a lot of single mothers in this environment had more kids. they didnt always have the best education and often came over for education such as nursing. but a nurses wage was just about enough to support a single parent house hold as the benefits system was not in full swing yet and especially not so for immigrants. these issues persisted up until the 80s and echoes of it still exist to some extent but i think kids in our generation are largely clueless to it.

    a lot of young men a long the way have gone to prison because of a lack of jobs to live off and a need for vigilante style violence to protect themselves from the skinhead gangs and police.

    so this is very different to the african immigrants that came over as whole families from backgrounds that were not always as negatively effected. by political war (like the jlp vs pnp) or quite possibly even slavery. of course there was slavery in africa and colonialism but it was different to the slavery and colonialism of the new world. also countries like ghana for example were not even colonised for that long less than 200 years in fact.

    yes people such as nigerians came over as refugees from the Biafra conflict so yea that could be comparable but you do notice the difference between those refugees and the ones that came over during the era of the "nigerian fraudster".

    so yea is this all making sense so far. i hope so im just going off without reading back so forgive me.

    yea so given the history of jamaicans over here, the racism, the fragmented family units, the habit of crime existing from harder times, the lack of prioritising of education. now compare that to educated whole solid family units immigrating from africa sometimes with a good wad of cash too.

    but yea i defiantly think africans from malawi, south africa, angola, or zimbabwe are much more easy going.

    although i've found zimbabweans a bit hit and miss. i've noticed a lot of zimbabwean immigrants to the uk were rich and then mugabe started going all "socialist" so they left with their money to south africa or the uk or wherever. i've noticed i don't get on with them tool well their abit... sell-out-ish. but i've noticed the more working class immigrants are much more pro mugabe. and they are usually really cool and laid back lol.
    I get what you are saying but I don't really think tensions are as high as you make out. I'm not going to lie, I used to say I was part Jamaican when I was around 8, not because I hated my country but just because Jamaica seemed really cool with all the reggae and Bob Marley so I just started saying it not realising that you have to actually be part Jamaican to say you are part Jamaican, you. I even once said I was American because my sister had married an American guy (I don't think I really understood heritage) but that always happens when people are really young and don't really understand what it means to be from a certain country. Its very rare for someone to say they are Jamaican when they aren't once they are older and I think most people who do that are laughed at. I appreciate Caribbean culture a lot, I don't want to be Caribbean but I appreciate the culture and I think that shows how tensions aren't as high as you think since a lot of Africans adopt a lot from the Caribbean culture e.g music, food, dancing. If tensions were really high, Africans wouldn't listen to Caribbean music and wouldn't want to adopt any of the Caribbean culture.

    I know that Caribbeans are far worse off in this country than Africans. I do think the reasons that you've stated are correct. Africans emigrating here are usually middle-class because you need to have some funds available to move to this country but a lot of the time, once you get here you become working class because the funds from back home aren't enough to make you middle class in this country so I do think Africans and Caribbeans can understand eachother in terms of class. Education wise, Africans are very pushy with their children, I know a lot of African parents push for their children to be doctors and lawyers (a lot of the time so they can brag to other Africans) which is why I think Africans do better in school because they have a lot of pressure from home. My mum isn't like that but she is still very supportive and most of my family have been university and done well in school so I'm in an enviroment where I'm pushed to work harder. I don't think thats the same with Caribbeans although I've met plenty of exceptions.

    I do think Africans coming here have faced a lot of racism and all that. What you have to remember is that there are plenty of 2nd or 3rd generation African immigrants in the UK now who probably share a lot with British Caribbeans being British African. So much so that we are all grouped together as 'British Black' because really we share a lot of the same problems. There are differences ofcourse but I do think that a Caribbean person has a lot more in common with an African person than a White British person most of time (obviously you have exceptions, since you have some Caribbeans that feel disillusioned with their culture and have adopted a lot of western culture and you have some White British people who identify a lot with Caribbean culture), that fact makes it easier for them to get along most of the time, although this isn't always the case.

    I've never seen proper tense arguments between Caribbeans and Africans, it usually seems like banter to me. I've touched on the whole slavery part in my earlier post. I think a lot of Caribbeans look down on Africans which sometimes frustrates Africans since Caribbeans mostly come from Africa and it just seems a bit stupid to make fun of people you share heritage with. I've never made fun of Caribbean people and none of my friends have either (aside from a bit banter) so I can't comment on what Africans say about Caribbeans since me and my friends have always sort of viewed Caribbeans as just like us really. Just like how British people may view Americans, there might be a bit of banter but they share so much history that they usually don't find it hard to get along.

    Sorry for long post, I can ramble lol.
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    (Original post by Rlove95)
    Most of the Jamaican hairdressers I've seen wear weave. They rarely ever have natural hair. I don't think theres much difference between Caribbeans and Africans in terms of natural hair v. weave. I think its about the same, a lot of Jamaican girls I know wear weave, infact the only person I know that has never relaxed their hair or worn weave is African. Maybe Caribbeans get their hair relaxed later on and not as young as 6 or so but I still think by 14/15, Caribbeans and Africans wear weaves or relax their hair at about the same level as eachother.
    Yeah. They usually wear weaves because it saves them time and because they are themselves hairdressers, they want a break and dread doing their own hair sometimes. (I've actually asked a hairdresser this). Especially when it could take hours depending on what's being done. (I've heard the horror stories, I just don't get how they can sit it a chair for hours).
    For me it's the opposite though. My Caribbean friends have natural hair. But I do know one Nigerian with natural hair because her relaxed hair broke of. She does wear weave, but I'm trying to help her with managing her natural hair, so she can love it more and flaunt the beautiful hair she's got.
    I think what it's put down to for both Africans and Caribbeans is perhaps the lack of confidence to explore their natural hair.

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    (Original post by Mick.w)


    black is a new world term. east africans have no history there. you're not black.
    lol what? You're not even black, who are you to dictate who is black or not... East Africans are black.



    (Original post by Beyoncstan)
    If you ask me both Africans & Caribbeans are irrelevant. The Black culture that the world knows and the most famous was invented and globalized by African Americans! The "face" of the black race just like White Americans are the face of white people.

    African American celebrities, music, fashion, food, language, dance, athletes are globally recognizable and universally popular.

    We are ICONIC!
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