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    (Original post by Bluffroom)
    He's a dictator
    That'll be why recent elections returned him to power with a majority of Syrians voting for him then?

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    hundreds of thousands have died under him
    Not disputing that the Syrian military sometimes unintentionally causes civilian casualties while going after the "Free Syrian Army", but they do their best to focus only on legitimate targets.
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    Out of the frying pan into the fryer sums up the whole shabang quite nicely I think.
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    I'd like to know where this majority of.Syrians support Assad comes from. It's a dictatorship no poll done is going yo.have any legitimacy

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    Traditionally, Muslims never fought against the dictator after giving the pledge of allegiance. But I very much hate the current regime.

    The question is: what happens after Basar al-Assad is overthrown?

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    (Original post by Bart1331)
    That'll be why recent elections returned him to power with a majority of Syrians voting for him then?



    Not disputing that the Syrian military sometimes unintentionally causes civilian casualties while going after the "Free Syrian Army", but they do their best to focus only on legitimate targets.
    lol...election in syria? what world do you live in!

    Most that have been killed are civilians because the FSA as the name suggeste are former army men or just normal guys with weapons thus the syrian army fails to target them and most of the time kills civilians sitting in their home with cluster bombs and all sorts...
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    (Original post by Sufistic)
    Traditionally, Muslims never fought against the dictator after giving the pledge of allegiance. But I very much hate the current regime.

    The question is: what happens after Basar al-Assad is overthrown?

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    Thats right, I suggest people read about the history of syria before throwing some daft comments like election in syria and the fact the UK wanted to help the rebels.


    Hague will never ever help the rebels by arming them because he says something and does something else with regards to the syrian matter and if you have been putting your thinking cap on you would have realised these discussion about the FSA help has been on going for the past year and nothing has come or will come out of it and thats that.

    If you have a current catastrophe going on, would you not think to solve it first and then think about what happens after OR would you rather more lives are lost while we try to figure out who to support and who is going to come next after bashar? is their blood so cheap!

    Anyway whoever comes after bashar has to be better because there is no worse than bashar al-assad and his father who have been ruling the country into chaoes and corruption. If the syrian people want him out then they want him out its their choice and their decision, they sacrficed so much and lost so much should they not have the right to choose who rules afterwards? Or do we always have to decide who are the presidents for the arab countries? Wr can set and discuss this topic all we like and nothing is going to change the fact that every day 200 syrian civilians die which totals 1400 a week and there are still some deluded people who think bashar was elected and theres another side to it:rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Ama2007)
    lol...election in syria? what world do you live in!
    Yes, the recent election that returned Assad to power. Other nations demanded that Assad hold an election, so he did. Only the rebels didn't get the result they wanted, so they continued suicide bombing government ministers, and attacking government buildings. Sounds more like the actions of cowardly terrorists instead of "peaceful civilians" really.

    I find the double standards to be atrocious here. You totally ignore that an election ever even happened just because you personally don't like the results. And those who do acknowledge that it happened call it "biased" and "fixed". If that election had gone in the rebels favour, and Assad had just ignored it like you have - You would be screaming from the rooftops.


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    Most that have been killed are civilians because the FSA as the name suggeste are former army men or just normal guys with weapons thus the syrian army fails to target them and most of the time kills civilians sitting in their home with cluster bombs and all sorts...
    The Syrian military simply have no interest in people who are protesting lawfully. They are only interested in defeating the FSA.

    The FSA are pretty much Syria's IRA - A very very vocal minority, who believe in violence instead of democracy, as evidenced by their unwillingness to accept the will of the people. These people are legitimate targets, they have been ever since they started using violence towards the government and civilians.

    Also, as the Syrian military has been known to give warnings for residents to evacuate a specific area in advance of a military operation, that makes it clear that even if there is the occasional accidental death, they do their best to avoid collateral damage.
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    (Original post by Bart1331)
    Yes, the recent election that returned Assad to power. Other nations demanded that Assad hold an election, so he did. Only the rebels didn't get the result they wanted, so they continued suicide bombing government ministers, and attacking government buildings. Sounds more like the actions of cowardly terrorists instead of "peaceful civilians" really.

    I find the double standards to be atrocious here. You totally ignore that an election ever even happened just because you personally don't like the results. And those who do acknowledge that it happened call it "biased" and "fixed". If that election had gone in the rebels favour, and Assad had just ignored it like you have - You would be screaming from the rooftops.




    The Syrian military simply have no interest in people who are protesting lawfully. They are only interested in defeating the FSA.

    The FSA are pretty much Syria's IRA - A very very vocal minority, who believe in violence instead of democracy, as evidenced by their unwillingness to accept the will of the people. These people are legitimate targets, they have been ever since they started using violence towards the government and civilians.

    Also, as the Syrian military has been known to give warnings for residents to evacuate a specific area in advance of a military operation, that makes it clear that even if there is the occasional accidental death, they do their best to avoid collateral damage.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec...tests-20111231
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-1...cities/4062466
    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...ian-government

    What planet are you on? Do you think one day a load of Syrians woke up and said well today looks like a nice day for revolution. Why do you think they turned violent? Because the state was murdering what were at first peaceful protesters.
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    (Original post by Bart1331)
    Yes, the recent election that returned Assad to power. Other nations demanded that Assad hold an election, so he did. Only the rebels didn't get the result they wanted, so they continued suicide bombing government ministers, and attacking government buildings. Sounds more like the actions of cowardly terrorists instead of "peaceful civilians" really.

    I find the double standards to be atrocious here. You totally ignore that an election ever even happened just because you personally don't like the results. And those who do acknowledge that it happened call it "biased" and "fixed". If that election had gone in the rebels favour, and Assad had just ignored it like you have - You would be screaming from the rooftops.




    The Syrian military simply have no interest in people who are protesting lawfully. They are only interested in defeating the FSA.

    The FSA are pretty much Syria's IRA - A very very vocal minority, who believe in violence instead of democracy, as evidenced by their unwillingness to accept the will of the people. These people are legitimate targets, they have been ever since they started using violence towards the government and civilians.

    Also, as the Syrian military has been known to give warnings for residents to evacuate a specific area in advance of a military operation, that makes it clear that even if there is the occasional accidental death, they do their best to avoid collateral damage.
    abs garbbage, I dont know where you get your sources from but you defo made me laugh never heard such a stupid comment in my life...LOL

    Minority? are you of your mind? Every city in syria has protested against bashar's regime, men, women children sing in the streets and chant songs of freedom, we have all seen it...its not a secret. NOt anymore anyway...most people with some degree of knowledge and understanding have now found out that syria is not what bashar made it out to be...He killed 40,000 thirty years ago but hardly anyone knew about it until now because there was no media coverga there was nothing it was like a big prison...only until recently we have started hearing about the massacres he has committed. You can talk all you like about bashar "avoiding accidental damage"HUh? really think people would believe that? Well let me tell you the stats and the blood running in the streets like waterfalls doesnt go with your argument.
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    (Original post by Ama2007)
    How can th best person to rule a country be a mass killer? Its like saying Hitler was the best person to rule germany and he was right to kill the jews because they deserved it? is that it? I dont think so.

    Anyway he is still here because of power not because of support, 99% of his people want him gone the other 1% is his mafia which he created 40 years ago when his father ruled the country by killing the previous president. Bashar will not stand a chance and would have been gone by now if the world had decided to help the syrians. The libyans had help from the NATO and we all know without their military expertise and information they (the rebels) would have never found Gaddafi.

    Anyone who says a mass killer is the best person to rule syria is either deluded and has no idea about whats happeing or just inhumane.

    If you have done your homework about syria you would have known the syrian regime is nothing like the libyan or the egyptian. Its a strong sectarian lead regime who have strict rules for all the members. One is that you have to be an alwee (which i doubt you have heard of)...Its has been formed more than 40 years ago so if you think about it...its going to take sometime to remove this stain.

    In egypt the army knew whats right and wrong, they were not chosen purely on their religion and political view thus when they saw the truth and the revolution, most of them deflected really early on. Where as the syrian regime is more like a mafia...if you are fimilar with syrian regime then you would know...
    If so many people hated bashar then definitely his own army would have turned against him. He has the strong support of the alawites and the Christians as well as the middle class. Although his regime are responsible for murders no one can control Syria until the opposition have a clear plan and a strong leader

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    (Original post by yg95)
    If so many people hated bashar then definitely his own army would have turned against him. He has the strong support of the alawites and the Christians as well as the middle class. Although his regime are responsible for murders no one can control Syria until the opposition have a clear plan and a strong leader

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    As I have stated previously, his own army is not recruited in the terms that we understand...people who join the army must be alwee and are pure criminals. Thus why would they turn against him? logically, if you think about it they are getting paid by bashar (when the opposition is been starved because it just happen to oppose his sick ideas), he is happy, they are happy, why stop? Alwites form less than 20% of the country thus it makes nothing on the whole scale. Clear plan? lol what for do you need a plan? This is just some silly excuse that I have heard too many times its just pathetic.
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    So if 99% of Syria oppose Assad than surely his "alawite army" cannot still manage to dominate the war against the "99%" who oppose him. You admit that the alawites who make up about 15% of Syria support him. Therefore 99% are not against him if he's still there

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    (Original post by yg95)
    So if 99% of Syria oppose Assad than surely his "alawite army" cannot still manage to dominate the war against the "99%" who oppose him. You admit that the alawites who make up about 15% of Syria support him. Therefore 99% are not against him if he's still there

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    You still havent grasped the issue of power. There is a large margin of military power between the 2. Thus, the most powerful (normally) win and oppress the less powerful.okay?
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    oh come on guys, most of us agree, except for some deluded people, that Assad is the s.o.b who needs to be ousted to stop bloodshed and to steer the country away from further destruction. Every time I read the news, the West and Arabs condemn the daily horrific, horrendous attacks that cost hundreds of lives. The whole world keep watching and shrugging his shoulder while innocents slaughtered. What on earth will it take to finally end this? For two years?? The failure of the international community kills us every second it passes
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    (Original post by yg95)
    If so many people hated bashar then definitely his own army would have turned against him. He has the strong support of the alawites and the Christians as well as the middle class. Although his regime are responsible for murders no one can control Syria until the opposition have a clear plan and a strong leader

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    Well, some of his army has already turned on him. How do you think the FSA managed to plant a bomb a few months ago when they tried to assassinate him?

    He has the support of the Alawites and etc because they fear what the consequences. It is not out of any love for Bashar whose incompetency has driven Syria into the ground.
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    Its true that the majority of those who support him is due t the fear of the unknown however the alawites do have genuine love of him considering that he is president of a regional superpower which is significant as their community have been historically oppressed
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    (Original post by Ama2007)
    Thats right, I suggest people read about the history of syria before throwing some daft comments like election in syria and the fact the UK wanted to help the rebels.
    You go on like this as if you are well read but the rest of your posts generally exhibit a much greater ignorance then those whom you are trying to mock.

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    and the majority of Syria is brain washed.
    Have a look around this thread. Do you think any of us have the right to adopt such a smug and superior attitude with regards to brain washing. You may laugh at the idea that people believe that Assad is a good man or that Kim Jong-Un was born on a mountain and is the world's best golfer. Yet at the same time many across the globe probably find it absurd that students in one of the most educated countries and who are trained to be inquisitive, immediately believe the ridiculous "Evil assad vs noble and great freedom fighters and their faultless western allies", hollywood-esque narrative given to them.
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    The real war will start when Assad falls. Secularism vs Islam.. Interesting times we live in.
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    (Original post by castlemadeofsand)
    You go on like this as if you are well read but the rest of your posts generally exhibit a much greater ignorance then those whom you are trying to mock.



    Have a look around this thread. Do you think any of us have the right to adopt such a smug and superior attitude with regards to brain washing. You may laugh at the idea that people believe that Assad is a good man or that Kim Jong-Un was born on a mountain and is the world's best golfer. Yet at the same time many across the globe probably find it absurd that students in one of the most educated countries and who are trained to be inquisitive, immediately believe the ridiculous "Evil assad vs noble and great freedom fighters and their faultless western allies", hollywood-esque narrative given to them.
    So, please enlighten us, what do you know about syria or the syrians themselves or even who is assad and what he stands for? I am intrigued to know your view.
 
 
 
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