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Rachhyyyy
Cocker spaniels are the smallest of the working land spaniels. The English springer spaniels were the largest of this family, while the field spaniel made up the middle sizes. At one time all three sizes could be found in the same litter and were registered according to size. Today, the cocker spaniel has been split into two separate breeds, one evolving in the United States and having long, flowing hair, and the other evolving in Britain and remaining relatively similar to the field and springer spaniel breeds.
Read more at Suite101: Cocker Spaniels: The Differences between the English and the American http://dog-breeds.suite101.com/article.cfm/cocker_spaniels#ixzz0fvZ64hd9
Read more at Suite101: Cocker Spaniels: The Differences between the English and the American http://dog-breeds.suite101.com/article.cfm/cocker_spaniels#ixzz0fvZ64hd9
This is describing the differnce between English and american CS not show and working. I think you may be right with them being different breeds though. And if they're not i think they should be the differences in head shape, coat etc make there appearance very different, not to mention there differnce in temprement. I think some breeders breed "working" cockers though, cockers that aren't actually the true working variety and hence it can be quite difficult to find true working cockers like yours. I've been reading up on them is your's really quiet because it says they are compared to show spaniels and my show cockers are soo noisy!!
ViolinGirl
I have a question 
Why are cats/dogs made to be vaccinated yearly? It is usually suggested to have yearly boosters.
I would imagine that memory cells remain in the body for many years, and that constant stimulation of the immune system by vaccinating yearly could be a bad thing, perhaps not enable the body to create a secondary response, as there are already antibodies within the body and this would kind of inactivate the vaccine...
Any thoughts?
There has also been evidence to show that constant rabies shots increase development of tumors.
Why are cats/dogs made to be vaccinated yearly? It is usually suggested to have yearly boosters. I would imagine that memory cells remain in the body for many years, and that constant stimulation of the immune system by vaccinating yearly could be a bad thing, perhaps not enable the body to create a secondary response, as there are already antibodies within the body and this would kind of inactivate the vaccine...
Any thoughts?
There has also been evidence to show that constant rabies shots increase development of tumors.
I think it depends what type of vaccination it is e.g live or killed. For example distemper is a live vaccine and according to the vets I was at immunity last 3 years, however leptospirosis is a killed vaccine and immunity lasts only 1 year, therefore dogs have to have yearly boosters. Apparently there was a recent case where a dog died from leptospirosis within a few months of its vaccine expiring.
Rach, you're getting a bit rude and aggressive here; that is reason for neg rep, unlike the unnecessary neg rep you received earlier! Fortunately, I pos repped you earlier 
Sorry, but I need to pick you up on this...
Do you or do you not believe that selective breeding, irrespective of the animal or the breed, can have detrimental effects?
in my dog, i dont see ANY welfare issue at all, they have no health problems, no welfare issues, and im not selective breeding in the same way, ive chosen a dog that i think brings together the good points of my dog, good points of him to make a perfect working dog.
But...but...but you're completely contradicting yourself! Selective breeding is mating two dogs that have characteristics that you want! That's what you've done. That's selective breeding, and whether you like it or not, it aids in condensing the gene pool.
Similarly, if your bitch does have puppies, do you consider at all whether or not you're introducing dogs that will be predisposed to a variety of disorders? Or, as you brought it up, is it just about the money?
why wud my puppies have health problems JUST because they are pedigree? thats rediculous. and very steriotyping.
See Above.
And as you love to go on about stereotyping so very much, you "farmers" are forever trying to stereotype us "townies" and claim we know nothing about dog breeds. Get real, eh
Certainly the state of breeding has improved over recent changes, but by no means does that make it perfect, or even close.
"Responsible" breeding dictates that if a healthy dog mates with a carrier (this usually only occurs if both dogs have one or more FTCh, FTAW or FTW titles), naturally the pups can be tested. But this then leads to these unhealthy pups often being put down in an attempt to cut them out of the gene pool. But still it goes on, from the pups that aren't sufferers but carriers.
In order to try and breed just healthy dogs, you're encouraging the unhealthy ones produced as a result of this ridiculous obsession to be put down. Before you suggest other people won't make it very far as a Vet (which in itself was an absurd claim), question that.
I can only find the English and American Cocker Spaniel; of the ECS, there are two types, certainly, and these are 'working' and 'show', but they are of the same breed. What's the origin of your breed "Working Cocker Spaniel"?
The Differences between the English and the American, they are now seperated and ARE DIFFERENT BREEDS, i thought i was right
Nobody contested this! I even very clearly said it myself. You rudely went on to question whether someone else knew this, when you went so far as to say on Facebook "type/breed whatever, why does that matter". At the end of the day, disorders that are recognised significant enough to require testing for in Working Cocker Spaniels, whether you consider them a strain or a breed, are PFK, hips and eyes as I stated earlier.
You want this debate over? That's fine. You're getting aggressive and unreasonable; I've no doubt that this is your passion, and that you look into it. I'm not condemning you personally, I only used your potential pups as an example and you took that as a direct attack. We're all talking wide scale, so this isn't personal as you seem to be taking it. Don't tell me that you're happy to listen to opinions as long as people back them up, because I've done that.
Feel free not reply to this, I certainly don't expect you to. I only hope that you're reacting in this way because it looks like an attack on you, when it really isn't. PL over and out.
Edit: spelling and phrasing.
Sorry, but I need to pick you up on this...
PowerLewis
Do you or do you not believe that selective breeding, irrespective of the animal or the breed, can have detrimental effects?
Rachhyyyy
But...but...but you're completely contradicting yourself! Selective breeding is mating two dogs that have characteristics that you want! That's what you've done. That's selective breeding, and whether you like it or not, it aids in condensing the gene pool.
PowerLewis
Rachhyyyy
See Above.
And as you love to go on about stereotyping so very much, you "farmers" are forever trying to stereotype us "townies" and claim we know nothing about dog breeds. Get real, eh
Certainly the state of breeding has improved over recent changes, but by no means does that make it perfect, or even close.
"Responsible" breeding dictates that if a healthy dog mates with a carrier (this usually only occurs if both dogs have one or more FTCh, FTAW or FTW titles), naturally the pups can be tested. But this then leads to these unhealthy pups often being put down in an attempt to cut them out of the gene pool. But still it goes on, from the pups that aren't sufferers but carriers.
In order to try and breed just healthy dogs, you're encouraging the unhealthy ones produced as a result of this ridiculous obsession to be put down. Before you suggest other people won't make it very far as a Vet (which in itself was an absurd claim), question that.
PowerLewis
Rachhyyyy
Nobody contested this! I even very clearly said it myself. You rudely went on to question whether someone else knew this, when you went so far as to say on Facebook "type/breed whatever, why does that matter". At the end of the day, disorders that are recognised significant enough to require testing for in Working Cocker Spaniels, whether you consider them a strain or a breed, are PFK, hips and eyes as I stated earlier.
You want this debate over? That's fine. You're getting aggressive and unreasonable; I've no doubt that this is your passion, and that you look into it. I'm not condemning you personally, I only used your potential pups as an example and you took that as a direct attack. We're all talking wide scale, so this isn't personal as you seem to be taking it. Don't tell me that you're happy to listen to opinions as long as people back them up, because I've done that.
Feel free not reply to this, I certainly don't expect you to. I only hope that you're reacting in this way because it looks like an attack on you, when it really isn't. PL over and out.
Edit: spelling and phrasing.
Kurzyk
I'm just gonna say: Oh sweet Lord and I think I love you.
Thanks so much for this. I was thinking about getting the train to east midlands parkway, cause Ive already booked the tickets to the Nottingham one, since its cheaper. So Ill just buy the tickets from there to east midlands p and get a taxi from there. Thank you very much!
Thanks so much for this. I was thinking about getting the train to east midlands parkway, cause Ive already booked the tickets to the Nottingham one, since its cheaper. So Ill just buy the tickets from there to east midlands p and get a taxi from there. Thank you very much!
That's the best plan. I'd pre-book a taxi just in case, but I think there are sometimes taxis outside the train station.
I believe the trains from Nottingham to EMP are fairly regular but I would leave plenty of time just to be safe. Ask the taxi to take you to the south entrance since that is right next to the vet school. Don't worry about arriving at the vet school early since they'll generally be ready to welcome people around 11am and there are always quite a few interviewees there early so plenty of people to chat to.
tommygunsvet
LMAO!!!!
Just got back from RVC, 7 hours to get there, 5 hours back, what a ******* watse of time!!! its got nothing on Glasgow, could have gone to work today and earnt some money! EURGH!
Just got back from RVC, 7 hours to get there, 5 hours back, what a ******* watse of time!!! its got nothing on Glasgow, could have gone to work today and earnt some money! EURGH!
Heyyy. I like RVC.
But 7 hours is a mission! I live in Edinburgh when at home and am studying at RVC.. needless to say I don't get home very often.
How did you find your interview there? Mine was yesterday.
Rachhyyyy
loving beths post
and the but that i sed about money was to piss you all off as i new you'd all be like "ahhh its not about money" IT WAS A JOKE!!!
and as Tonyyy really wants his Q's answered by me i will answer them even though i weant this debate over.
and working cocker is a breed, when u register with kennel club you register them as a ECS or a WORKING cocker spaniel, type or breed or whatever they are COMPLETELY different in my opinion, especially ones that have been bred down working lines with FTCH and FTW in the pedigrees like mine, anna has seen my dog, its INSAIN, thats what a proper working cocker is bred to be like, yeh there is varation in temperment but u'll find the good workers are the "crazy" ones.
ok your questions.. selective breeding, yes it can have detrimental effects, its something i really want to change in the dairy industry as a vet as its effecting dairy cow welfare in my opinion because people have been breeding milking machines and havnt thought about the health of the cow whilst doing so, i want to improve fertility, longetivity, and no. of lactations in modern dairy cows and that what im gona do.
in my dog, i dont see ANY welfare issue at all, they have no health problems, no welfare issues, and im not selective breeding in the same way, ive chosen a dog that i think brings together the good points of my dog, good points of him to make a perfect working dog.
Q no.2, why wud my puppies have health problems JUST because they are pedigree? thats rediculous. and very steriotyping.
no.3 THE MONEY WAS A JOKE, i wont make any money after docking/vaccinating/stud fee/microchipping/advertising etc
no.4 when i KC register my pups they will be WORKING COCKERS, its an option on the KC registering thing so yes its a different breed???!!! i dont no wether it would be classed as breed or type but they are VERY different, have u never seen a working cocker? and a show cocker? no?
and the but that i sed about money was to piss you all off as i new you'd all be like "ahhh its not about money" IT WAS A JOKE!!!
and as Tonyyy really wants his Q's answered by me i will answer them even though i weant this debate over.
and working cocker is a breed, when u register with kennel club you register them as a ECS or a WORKING cocker spaniel, type or breed or whatever they are COMPLETELY different in my opinion, especially ones that have been bred down working lines with FTCH and FTW in the pedigrees like mine, anna has seen my dog, its INSAIN, thats what a proper working cocker is bred to be like, yeh there is varation in temperment but u'll find the good workers are the "crazy" ones.
ok your questions.. selective breeding, yes it can have detrimental effects, its something i really want to change in the dairy industry as a vet as its effecting dairy cow welfare in my opinion because people have been breeding milking machines and havnt thought about the health of the cow whilst doing so, i want to improve fertility, longetivity, and no. of lactations in modern dairy cows and that what im gona do.
in my dog, i dont see ANY welfare issue at all, they have no health problems, no welfare issues, and im not selective breeding in the same way, ive chosen a dog that i think brings together the good points of my dog, good points of him to make a perfect working dog.
Q no.2, why wud my puppies have health problems JUST because they are pedigree? thats rediculous. and very steriotyping.
no.3 THE MONEY WAS A JOKE, i wont make any money after docking/vaccinating/stud fee/microchipping/advertising etc
no.4 when i KC register my pups they will be WORKING COCKERS, its an option on the KC registering thing so yes its a different breed???!!! i dont no wether it would be classed as breed or type but they are VERY different, have u never seen a working cocker? and a show cocker? no?
Yer they are geting alot better with dairy cows now, as the 'milk machines' the farmers have bred are now suffering with increased lameness, infertility etc and losing farmers alot.. I got to shadow someone who specialised in selecting particular bull semen to give to particular cows when he came to the farm i was doing dairy placement on. He looked at their milk yeild, feet, body condition etc and then matched them to a bull that excelled where they failed, to make a more even well bred calf out of it all. =) I then got sent off to body condition 150 cows. haha.
Ali-Ace
I've just got back from touring the country...
Notts interview yesterday
Bangor open day today.
We left Bangor early... it was bleak. I really didn't like it.
Probably gonna withdraw. Ah well.
Bed time now... finally! I'm shattered!
NIght all xx
Notts interview yesterday
Bangor open day today.
We left Bangor early... it was bleak. I really didn't like it.
Probably gonna withdraw. Ah well.
Bed time now... finally! I'm shattered!
NIght all xx
whatttt you can not diss bangor
its near meeeee....its awesome, suppose it is full of us welshiesCaraghk123
Heyyy. I like RVC.
But 7 hours is a mission! I live in Edinburgh when at home and am studying at RVC.. needless to say I don't get home very often.
How did you find your interview there? Mine was yesterday.
But 7 hours is a mission! I live in Edinburgh when at home and am studying at RVC.. needless to say I don't get home very often.
How did you find your interview there? Mine was yesterday.
interview was boring to be honest, asked me all about animal testing and dog breeds, I was like you whhaaaaa??
Glasgows much better!
PowerLewis
And as you love to go on about stereotyping so very much, you "farmers" are forever trying to stereotype us "townies" and claim we know nothing about dog breeds. Get real, eh
And as you love to go on about stereotyping so very much, you "farmers" are forever trying to stereotype us "townies" and claim we know nothing about dog breeds. Get real, eh
know nothing of dog breed?? hmm nope.....no nothing of the traditions and the way we live yes, well not all, some on here are acctually very keen on learning you on the other hand seem determined to go against our views! I don't care if you disagree, but you aked rach some Q she answerd them, then you go on and on, talking through your fuk3n hat at times!!! have you ever been shooting? urgh you've just made me a lil bit pissed off now, coz ur having a go at her, and negging her, and all shes doing is given her opinion, with backup to support it!!!
Seriously though this is just a thread where we usually have nice chats and a few debates, but you go way to seriously on all of them!!!
x_dwin_ffeimys_x
know nothing of dog breed?? hmm nope.....no nothing of the traditions and the way we live yes, well not all, some on here are acctually very keen on learning you on the other hand seem determined to go against our views! I don't care if you disagree, but you aked rach some Q she answerd them, then you go on and on, talking through your fuk3n hat at times!!! have you ever been shooting? urgh you've just made me a lil bit pissed off now, coz ur having a go at her, and negging her, and all shes doing is given her opinion, with backup to support it!!!
Seriously though this is just a thread where we usually have nice chats and a few debates, but you go way to seriously on all of them!!!
Seriously though this is just a thread where we usually have nice chats and a few debates, but you go way to seriously on all of them!!!
well said
Guys, let's not personally attack people here, please.
Power_Lewis has made some very good points - as have many other people. He's perfectly entitled to post his opinion. If you don't like the way the conversation has turned - or feel that it's too serious for you you can simply choose not to post.
Debates are healthy and are indicative of a group of young people with open-minds, keen to learn and explore other people's points of view. If you don't like it you don't have to participate, it's a simple as that.
No disrespect needs to come into play.
Power_Lewis has made some very good points - as have many other people. He's perfectly entitled to post his opinion. If you don't like the way the conversation has turned - or feel that it's too serious for you you can simply choose not to post.
Debates are healthy and are indicative of a group of young people with open-minds, keen to learn and explore other people's points of view. If you don't like it you don't have to participate, it's a simple as that.
No disrespect needs to come into play.
tommygunsvet
interview was boring to be honest, asked me all about animal testing and dog breeds, I was like you whhaaaaa??
Glasgows much better!
Glasgows much better!
agreeeeeeeeeeeeeed!
Interesting reading, always nice to hear peoples views on things like this!
Although Rach, Tony is right, you were a bit agressive! It's great that we all have different opinions, but there's no need for sarcasm towards other people's views, and certainly it's not fair to refer to them as stupid! You need to take yourself a bit less seriously, because at vet school you'll meet lots of people with lots of different views, and they probably won't all be congruent with your 'stereotypical country girl' views. We all want to hear yours, but you should try and empathise with others!
Get off yer high horse!!!
On another note, welldone to everyone with interviews, and Tom, Haddie is extremely jealous that you get a date with me in Liverpool!
Although Rach, Tony is right, you were a bit agressive! It's great that we all have different opinions, but there's no need for sarcasm towards other people's views, and certainly it's not fair to refer to them as stupid! You need to take yourself a bit less seriously, because at vet school you'll meet lots of people with lots of different views, and they probably won't all be congruent with your 'stereotypical country girl' views. We all want to hear yours, but you should try and empathise with others!
Get off yer high horse!!!
On another note, welldone to everyone with interviews, and Tom, Haddie is extremely jealous that you get a date with me in Liverpool!
tommygunsvet
interview was boring to be honest, asked me all about animal testing and dog breeds, I was like you whhaaaaa??
Glasgows much better!
Glasgows much better!
Ooh. Haha. I think they had me pegged as a farm vet or something. Spent atleast 10 minutes on TB and another 10 minutes on spread of disease, biosecurity, farmers and public perception of certain present day issues!
Only a tiny bit on science and on other topics.
I got asked barely anything on my personal statement though which is apparently weird for RVC.
I got an interview for glasgow but withdrew. -shiftyglance-
But that was more because of the cost than the fact I didn't like the uni. :P
x_dwin_ffeimys_x
know nothing of dog breed?? hmm nope.....no nothing of the traditions and the way we live yes, well not all, some on here are acctually very keen on learning you on the other hand seem determined to go against our views! I don't care if you disagree, but you aked rach some Q she answerd them, then you go on and on, talking through your fuk3n hat at times!!! have you ever been shooting? urgh you've just made me a lil bit pissed off now, coz ur having a go at her, and negging her, and all shes doing is given her opinion, with backup to support it!!!
Seriously though this is just a thread where we usually have nice chats and a few debates, but you go way to seriously on all of them!!!
Seriously though this is just a thread where we usually have nice chats and a few debates, but you go way to seriously on all of them!!!
Lol. Oh dear.
Just spend three weeks on a friends farm, doing whatever the family do and you'll soon be converted anyway. At my interview I had to keep remembering that I should be having a balanced approach to issues, not the farmers approach!
Went clay pigeon shooting for the first time last week.. it was amazing. I think I'd prefer shooting clays to living breathing furries, but maybe that's just me.
I shot 7/25. ;/ Which I thought was rubbish but apparently its not bad for a first timer!
*sighs* this countryside versus townie attitude is tiring, you guys are making up teams that don't exist.
Beth - actually, I didn't neg Rach. I repped her, because I felt that she had been wrongly negged simply for having an opinion. But had you read what I actually put, which would be asking a lot, you would have known that
I don't know if you understand the concept of a debate, but if someone can produce what I consider a more valid argument than me I'm perfectly happy to consider changing my opinion. This didn't happen, and we both decided to leave the matter be. Again, you evidently didn't read that, because despite only responding once to her post, I'm 'going on and on'. I simply responded with my views because I didn't feel her responses were satisfactory, but if that's 'talking through my hat' (an expression I hear so rarely it must just be a thing you 'country girls' use, maybe, for such madness does not occur in the town...) then I make very good use of my hat.
I never 'had a go at her'. If you really knew what you were talking about, you'd know that she made it far more personal than I did. I'm talking objectively, not subjectively.
Beth - actually, I didn't neg Rach. I repped her, because I felt that she had been wrongly negged simply for having an opinion. But had you read what I actually put, which would be asking a lot, you would have known that
I don't know if you understand the concept of a debate, but if someone can produce what I consider a more valid argument than me I'm perfectly happy to consider changing my opinion. This didn't happen, and we both decided to leave the matter be. Again, you evidently didn't read that, because despite only responding once to her post, I'm 'going on and on'. I simply responded with my views because I didn't feel her responses were satisfactory, but if that's 'talking through my hat' (an expression I hear so rarely it must just be a thing you 'country girls' use, maybe, for such madness does not occur in the town...) then I make very good use of my hat.
I never 'had a go at her'. If you really knew what you were talking about, you'd know that she made it far more personal than I did. I'm talking objectively, not subjectively.
Guys its the internet. ;/ Tones get misunderstood all the time. D;
Caraghk123
Guys its the internet. ;/ Tones get misunderstood all the time. D;
By "Tones", do you mean an affection version of Tony?
In which case yes, yes I do get misunderstood all the time
Who were your interviewers at RVC? How do you think it went?
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