London Shooting - the real facts emerge

just a quick note. the man would be used to the corruption of the brazilian police. my cousin bribed his way out of a speeding ticket with 12 reais (about £3) its rediculous.

Exactly they say they gave him a warning. don't you think its odd they'd shout a warning at someone they feared was a suicide bomber? The whole point of the shoot to kill policy is to give the police an advantage when trying to stop a bomber. Thats why they go for the head shot so the bomber can not detonate their bomb, they shout and their advantage is lost.

Also, there have been many contradictory claims from witnesses, i have heard many people say they heard no warning.

Your guidelines from the police are for normal circumstances. If someone was armed with a gun and percieved to be a threat, the police would shoot at their head, not torso, they do double shots in quick succession, one at head and one at neck. They must identify themseves unless risks serious harm which in this case it would have.

My dad is up in London at the moment and says they would probably not have given a warning for the reasons I stated above.

just a quick note. the man would be used to the corruption of the brazilian police. my cousin bribed his way out of a speeding ticket with 12 reais (about £3) its rediculous.

You are so biased! How many English natives have murdered people? How many English natives perform violent acts? I've been harrassed by plenty of white Anglo-Saxon men, but I'm not predjudiced enough to believe this makes all white anglo-saxons 'animals'. You're entire attitude to other human beings is worrying.

They weren't certain that he was a suicide bomber until he ran. That's why they warned him.
Witnesses saying that they heard no warning implies that they heard no warning, not that there wasn't a warning. Witnesses saying that they heard a warning implies that there was a warning. So you have reports implying there was a warning, but not that there wasn't

You are so biased! How many English natives have murdered people? How many English natives perform violent acts? I've been harrassed by plenty of white Anglo-Saxon men, but I'm not predjudiced enough to believe this makes all white anglo-saxons 'animals'. You're entire attitude to other human beings is worrying.

The police have admitted it is policy NOT TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES in such a situation. So no, he wasn't being unco-operative, he wasn't ignoring police instructions - they did not tell him they were police. Many witnesses have said there was nothing to identify them as such and no witness has been reported as hearing any warning.

You keep saying 'if he had been a bomber' - you could say the same thing about anyone! Should every person who tries to get on a Tube train be shot because they 'could' be a bomber? By your logic, they should.

Should everyone walk around naked now, then, so police can see they've not got a bomb on them?

The police had no good reason to suspect Mr Menezes of any terrorist activity. By your logic, every single bloody person is a legitimate suspect. Should everyone be shot?

If they thought he was a bomber, why did they let him get onto a bus? If they allowed him to be in a situation where he could have killed scores of people (if he had been a bomber), why did they suddenly decide he needed to be shot when he was in another situation where he could have detonated any bomb (that didn't actually exist)? If they're so concerned about safety, why did they let him onto a bus? Answer that one.

Even if they did think he was a bomber, when they had no reason to think so, there was no need for him to be shot - he was on the floor, totally restrained by police officers, and unable to move to detonate any device (which was non-existent). They didn't need to shoot him - he couldn't move to do anything anyway, and they could simply have Tasered him to make sure he couldn't do anything while they took him away.

This was cold-blooded murder. Commanda Dick, who authorised the murder, should be tried, as should the murdering policeman who killed a man he had no reason to suspect of anything.

With the kind of things that are being bandied about here, every single person is a suspect and every single person is in danger of being executed by police. If it can happen to one innocent man - Mr Menezes - it can happen to any of us. Ian Blair has even said it probably will.

The simple fact remains that:

HE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN IN OUR COUNTRY

therefore tough **** if he ended up getting shot. I would have more sympathy if it was someone else, but thats what happens when you try living in a country that you shouldnt be in.

You keep saying 'if he had been a bomber' - you could say the same thing about anyone! Should every person who tries to get on a Tube train be shot because they 'could' be a bomber? By your logic, they should.

Should everyone walk around naked now, then, so police can see they've not got a bomb on them?

The police had no good reason to suspect Mr Menezes of any terrorist activity. By your logic, every single bloody person is a legitimate suspect. Should everyone be shot?

If they thought he was a bomber, why did they let him get onto a bus? If they allowed him to be in a situation where he could have killed scores of people (if he had been a bomber), why did they suddenly decide he needed to be shot when he was in another situation where he could have detonated any bomb (that didn't actually exist)? If they're so concerned about safety, why did they let him onto a bus? Answer that one.

Even if they did think he was a bomber, when they had no reason to think so, there was no need for him to be shot - he was on the floor, totally restrained by police officers, and unable to move to detonate any device (which was non-existent). They didn't need to shoot him - he couldn't move to do anything anyway, and they could simply have Tasered him to make sure he couldn't do anything while they took him away.

This was cold-blooded murder. Commanda Dick, who authorised the murder, should be tried, as should the murdering policeman who killed a man he had no reason to suspect of anything.

With the kind of things that are being bandied about here, every single person is a suspect and every single person is in danger of being executed by police. If it can happen to one innocent man - Mr Menezes - it can happen to any of us. Ian Blair has even said it probably will.

im pretty sure they wouldnt suspect me of being a bomber, and i would have a bet with you on that...

They had absolutely no reason to shoot Mr Menezes.

He was wearing a light denim jacket, not a heavy winter coat.

He didn't jump the barrier, he used a ticket.

The policemen were plain clothes so he would have just thought they were a group of men, possibly lads who were going to beat him up or mug him.

The police shouted NO WARNING. No witness has said they heard any kind of police warning and it is apparently police policy in these instances NOT TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

This is just sick. Any one of us could walk out of our front door and be executed by the police. They don't even have to have a reason to shoot an innocent man, they just do it.

The officer who killed Mr Menezes has even been given a two-week holiday, to 'get over the stress.' He should be arrested, placed in custody and tried for murder.

And Ian Blair had the cheek to say, on the day of Mr Menezes' brutal murder, he was 'very pleased' with what his force were doing.

Are you talking about me? I didn;t mean it to sound like I support what they did, i don't. I was merely trying to point out that they wouldn't have identified themselves as police.

im one of those "idiots" who has to put up with them raping girls in your home town, carrying knives and guns and all other sorts of bad things!

No, sorry! It was to melbourne and another person but I didn't want to quote the whole post! Sorry, that wasn't directed at you

Because British citizens never do anything like that...

no its just nasty foreign types isn't it.

We haven't actually had any evidence that that is so. We have had unsubstantiated claims about a stamp on his passport and that is all.

What are you trying to say?

Racism has no place on this thread. You're obviously just trying to wind people up, so to save yourself from looking stupid, you may as well just stop now. Nobody's listening to your poisonous words.