How the radical left turned America's cities into slums.

https://youtu.be/WlH3S-uLTIw

"San Francisco is situated at the heart of America’s tech boom. Yet much of the city looks like a slum. Homelessness is rampant. Drug use is soaring and violent crime continues to rise. To find out what is happening to America’s most progressive cities Steven Edgintin is joined by the left wing environmentalist and best-selling author Michael Shellenberger. "

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Reply 1

imlikeahermit

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All of this because they absolutely refuse to have both sides of the argument in this. I’m all for equality, but you have to have both sides. What I find both ironic, and slightly amusing is that these left wing radicals who want rid of police etc could not cope without them, because once the rampant crime sets in they’d be eaten alive given that most of them couldn’t fight their way out of a plastic bag.

Reply 2

Megacent

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Original post by imlikeahermit

All of this because they absolutely refuse to have both sides of the argument in this. I’m all for equality, but you have to have both sides. What I find both ironic, and slightly amusing is that these left wing radicals who want rid of police etc could not cope without them, because once the rampant crime sets in they’d be eaten alive given that most of them couldn’t fight their way out of a plastic bag.

The left often seem to believe that anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi. They don't want to hear both sides of an argument because they genuinely cannot comprehend the idea that someone could disagree with their views. They are very intolerant, but if you point that out they just spout "paradox of intolerance" at you like a pre programmed NPC repeating their lines.

Reply 3

SHallowvale

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Original post by Megacent

The left often seem to believe that anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi...

...you like a pre programmed NPC repeating their lines.

🤨 Hmm.

Reply 4

Napp

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Original post by imlikeahermit

All of this because they absolutely refuse to have both sides of the argument in this. I’m all for equality, but you have to have both sides. What I find both ironic, and slightly amusing is that these left wing radicals who want rid of police etc could not cope without them, because once the rampant crime sets in they’d be eaten alive given that most of them couldn’t fight their way out of a plastic bag.

In fairness the American right are no better. They equally refuse to reach across the aisle on any topic. One merely has to look at the number of bills passed and who votes for what, both parties, thew Republicans slightly more, rigidly stick to party lines. It doesnt matter what the policy is or how good it is but if the 'enemy' puts it forward then it will be voted against as a matter of course.

Say whatr you will about Americas terribly run cities but theres little inherently Democrat about it, other than they happen to be running them. Republican run cities (such as they holdf any worth a damn) tend to be just as bad, typified by no investment, private sector allowed to run riot, crime allowed to go unchecked and corruption rampant. Both parties are decidedly morally revolting and self serving in my book.

The 'protestors', left wing ones anyway, are risibly idiotic as you note though. disbanding the police, creating race and sex quotas etc. absolute sociopaths the lot of them. Particularly dull-witted ones at that.

That all being said, maybe theyre on to something by legalising drugs, if everyone is stoned maybe theyll stop shooting and robbing each other and just eat chips instead :rolleyes:

Reply 5

hotpud

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Original post by caravaggio2

https://youtu.be/WlH3S-uLTIw

"San Francisco is situated at the heart of America’s tech boom. Yet much of the city looks like a slum. Homelessness is rampant. Drug use is soaring and violent crime continues to rise. To find out what is happening to America’s most progressive cities Steven Edgintin is joined by the left wing environmentalist and best-selling author Michael Shellenberger. "

Care to summarise the outcomes of this video?

I don't think you can look at San Francisco and its democratic representatives as an example of left = deprivation. How does it compare to cities in Republican states such as Texas or Florida?

Similar things happen in the UK too. Take the nothing town of Macclesfield. Surrounded by the Cheshire set, per capita it is one of the wealthiest parts of the UK, yet the town boasts some of the poorest communities in the region. Same with the likes of Westminster. I'm not really sure what any of that says about the left vs. the right. Seems more about how councils and governments choose to allocate resources and how the wealthy vote with their feet quite quickly if things take a turn for the worse.

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Reply 6

SaucissonSecCy

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Do you really think dire poverty in the USA is because they are too left wing??

Reply 7

mObjectivst

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Original post by SaucissonSecCy

Do you really think dire poverty in the USA is because they are too left wing??

Yes all those drive by shootings are done by hardcore Marxists :tongue:

Reply 8

mObjectivst

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There are lots of Democrat run places that aren't crime filled dumps.

It's just like how Wales and London are both run by labour but Wales does not have the level of crime that London does.

The reason for this is a complete mystery though.

Reply 9

Napp

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Original post by mObjectivst

There are lots of Democrat run places that aren't crime filled dumps.

It's just like how Wales and London are both run by labour but Wales does not have the level of crime that London does.

The reason for this is a complete mystery though.

In fairness, fairely large areas of Wales aRE LITTLE BETTER, THE VALLEYS AND OLD MINING AREAS BEING CASES IN POINT.

Reply 10

mObjectivst

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Original post by Napp

In fairness, fairely large areas of Wales aRE LITTLE BETTER, THE VALLEYS AND OLD MINING AREAS BEING CASES IN POINT.

Sure there's crime and poverty. But they're largely not going around with machetes shooting people either.

Reply 11

Napp

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Original post by mObjectivst

Sure there's crime and poverty. But they're largely not going around with machetes shooting people either.

Well, not with machetes anyway. But the type of crime is still broadly similar if not within the rubric of large international/ethnic crime gangs. Theres still plenty of drug dealing (and all that goes with that), murder, assault, robbery etc. theyre really not that different.

Reply 12

hotpud

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Original post by mObjectivst

There are lots of Democrat run places that aren't crime filled dumps.

It's just like how Wales and London are both run by labour but Wales does not have the level of crime that London does.

The reason for this is a complete mystery though.

It is a mystery? I am sure if you took 9 million Welsh people and moved them all to Anglesey, you would see similar levels of crime. Crime happens for lots of reasons. Deprivation, opportunity, lack of enforcement, disengagement from society etc etc etc. Someone should write a book about it! :biggrin:

Reply 13

64Lightbulbs

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At least in the US, homeless people with the ability to migrate tend to congregate in places with better services and protections for them, aka large, democratic, cities. it really shouldn't be surprising that a large democratic city is a hotspot for homelessness.

Reply 14

Napp

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Original post by 64Lightbulbs

At least in the US, homeless people with the ability to migrate tend to congregate in places with better services and protections for them, aka large, democratic, cities. it really shouldn't be surprising that a large democratic city is a hotspot for homelessness.

More likely that the cities tend to be hotbeds of division. The gap between the haves and have-nots in these cities is simply too big a problem to ignore. Merely look at the various cities in California, to argue that the rampant problem of homelessness is merely an example of some nonsense such as institutional racism or whatnot is clearly hooey. The much more likely example if appalling policies by the Democrats that simply serve to entrench the elite at the expense of anyone else. Theres a good reason rural dwellers feel hard done by and it isnt because Republicans are all a bunch of racists.

That isnt to say cities under Republican governance would be much better but nethertheless.

Reply 15

Pretoria

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Theft is caused by poverty. Poverty is caused by wealth inequality. Wealth inequality is caused by capitalism.

Do the maths.

Reply 16

Starship Trooper

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Original post by Pretoria

Theft is caused by poverty. Poverty is caused by wealth inequality. Wealth inequality is caused by capitalism.

Do the maths.

... Theft is caused by Socialism. Socialism is caused by big government. Big government is caused by corruption.

Do the maths.

Reply 17

Napp

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Original post by Pretoria

Theft is caused by poverty. Poverty is caused by wealth inequality. Wealth inequality is caused by capitalism.

Do the maths.

Yeah, not quite. You might want to crunch your numbers again.

Reply 18

Pretoria

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Ah yes. The classic “Socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does the more socialist it is” ‘argument’. And if theft is caused by socialism, why in capitalist countries like the US and UK is theft commonplace?

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Reply 19

Pretoria

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Original post by Napp

Yeah, not quite. You might want to crunch your numbers again.

How so? Theft is caused by poverty as the poor often have to turn to crime to make a living. Look at criminal gangs for example, how many were Oxbridge students with middle class parents and how many were from working class backgrounds? There’s a distinct correlation between wealth and theft and the only way to resolve this is through the abolition of the capitalist system.

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