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crana9
You know, the number 2 category of "People that piss off others most at cambridge" after CICCU members is probably "The person who went to a state school and is immensely proud of it and goes on about it all the time and how it makes them a superior being". They are hated equally by people who went to state schools and to private schools, and probably by homeschooled people as well.

In case you were wondering, number 3 is a tie between "I go on about my gap year ALL.........THE..........TIME" and "I just discovered alcohol! My mummy wouldn't let me have it before! I'm going to drink stupidly and go on about how "wrecked" I am all the time after two Smirnoff Ices!"


number 5 is probably public school people who say stuff like 'oh, well done you for getting here' when you tell them you went to a state school. although they are few and far between, it's still annoying when you come across one.

as for being bottom of the pile, niccolo, as people have said, you're far more likely to just be 'normal' for cambridge rather than thick. it's just about learning not to compare yourself to others (something which can be difficult if you're naturally competitive) if you know that's going to make you feel inferior.

and i feel sorry for your friend who's going to northampton; not because of the uni, but just because he has to live in northampton for 3 years! :wink:
Reply 61
I hope you don't think I actually categorise people in my head into CICCU/ChipOnShoulder/GapYearBore etc... :wink:
KupoIncarnate
What is with your desire to categorise everybody?? Personally I put you, as with one or two of the other people who have posted on this thread, in a category marked "ignorami". Your stereotyping is disgraceful and its that kind of mentality which just leads to a absolute death of open-mindedness. Cambridge contains a cross section of people, not statistics, who dont slot conveniently into categories. There arent four, five, six, "types of people". Snobbery in oxbridge still exists in a tiny proportion but those types of people are in extreme minority. And yes, Cambridge is an institution which comes with a lot of tradition, but I have chosen to be there and be a part of that tradition - if I didnt want to be a part of it I wouldnt have chosen Cambridge as a university!

Please dont misinterpret me, you havent offended my traditionalist views, just come across as a completely closed minded, ignorant clone who is has become swept up in stereotypes and "pop-politics" to the extent that you have ceased to form any of your oppinions based on anything tangible whatsoever.


that is nonsense, i was not stereotyping, i was classing people into distinguishable groups. everyone in the world HAS to fall into a group or else it would surely be impossible to refer to any certain person. in addition i never suggested an easy fit into slot for categories, if you read i try to avoid that way of coming across.

However, you mention me stereotyping:
KupoIncarnate
Please dont misinterpret me, you havent offended my traditionalist views, just come across as a completely closed minded, ignorant clone who is has become swept up in stereotypes and "pop-politics" to the extent that you have ceased to form any of your oppinions based on anything tangible whatsoever.


what are you doing exactly? if that is not 'stereotyping?' that is a nice little slot you have fitted me into....


and choosing to go to cambridge with the fact that it has tradition does not mean you HAVE to be a part of that tradition ?? im not saying you want to go there coz of that, but people going to cambridge do not have to be part of the 'tradition' of the place just because they are there.
Reply 63
adampogonowski

two - this group of people are the total opposite of the above group, and probably consist of mainly left wing thinkers like myself. i do not know this group for a fact exists, and is probably smaller than my perception of it, but i hope it consists of 20-30% of students at camb! for the record i am in this group.

i would say though there are probably a thousand different groupings of people in cambridge alone, so i hold my own groupings not to be fantastically accurate, but as a generalisation i guess the will suffice.


Perhaps that group could also be known as the purer than thou socialist alliance types who tend to go lecturing everyone who doesn't agree with them 100% :rolleyes:

To be honest I don't think you should be making generalisations on this kind of level. What do these generalisations suffice? Your own need to feel superior to everyone else? Knowing a few people at Cambridge I am yet to come across anyone who thinks that they are the absolute intellectual elite and are the only types that should be allowed to be in parliament, run big multinationals etc. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I doubt they take up 70-80% of Cambridge. And if you think that why are you even going?
I think adampogonowski may be attempting to set a new world record for the number of undergrads offended before even starting the course :rolleyes:

Advice: Wait until you get there before you make sweeping generalisations. Do not believe everything you are told, even by your friends. Wait until you have actually met a decent proportion of students the university; once you have, and if 70-80% of the people you have met are in fact obnoxious rahs, feel free to express this as your experience. Until then I don't think you are in a position to make judgements on what students here are like.
notyourpunk
Perhaps that group could also be known as the purer than thou socialist alliance types who tend to go lecturing everyone who doesn't agree with them 100% :rolleyes:

To be honest I don't think you should be making generalisations on this kind of level. What do these generalisations suffice? Your own need to feel superior to everyone else? Knowing a few people at Cambridge I am yet to come across anyone who thinks that they are the absolute intellectual elite and are the only types that should be allowed to be in parliament, run big multinationals etc. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I doubt they take up 70-80% of Cambridge. And if you think that why are you even going?


i do not think i am "purer than thou" although the socialist comment i agree with. i do not feel superior in anyway, i was just sharing what i thought, although, as usual noone understands or likes this point of view!

and i am going because cambridge is the best for law in the UK and i would like to get the best tutilage, because i have never experienced it. i also hope to meet people of my viewpoint politically and morally.

meh the generalisations do not suffice anything, i just wanted to get a conversation/debate going and to confirm for me that hardly anyone does agree with my view, being as my view is, one of a minority.

furthermore, i was also incensed by the original posters remarks about obese people, discrimination of that kind is intolerable and detestable.

and before the remark comes back that i was being discriminating i was not, i was classing into social groupings so as to make it easier for people to understand my explanation, but alas, it has failed.
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adampogonowski
i was just sharing what i thought, although, as usual noone understands or likes this point of view!


You ever wondered why that's what usually happens?
MadNatSci
I think adampogonowski may be attempting to set a new world record for the number of undergrads offended before even starting the course :rolleyes:

Advice: Wait until you get there before you make sweeping generalisations. Do not believe everything you are told, even by your friends. Wait until you have actually met a decent proportion of students the university; once you have, and if 70-80% of the people you have met are in fact obnoxious rahs, feel free to express this as your experience. Until then I don't think you are in a position to make judgements on what students here are like.



well i think that the people who inform me of this are trustable sources of information you see the world as i do. you will not understand my viewpoint and i accept it!

haha - it would happen sooner or later that offense would occur! luckily hardly anyone from my college is on here!
crana9
You ever wondered why that's what usually happens?



because people differ in their opinions of things.
Reply 69
Perhaps the following line of reasoning would be worth considering for some...

I'm (on the whole) not a snop/crazy muppet/amazingly clever

I got into Cambridge/Oxford/Primary School

People like me get into Cambridge/Oxford/Primary School

So what sorts of people should I expect in Cambridge?
People like me. Have a little self respect, realise that probably you aren't going there on a complete fluke and that on the whole you can expect many of the people to be like you ("unfortunatly" in some cases). You are after all nothing particularly special really.
Reply 70
adampogonowski

meh the generalisations do not suffice anything, i just wanted to get a conversation/debate going and to confirm for me that hardly anyone does agree with my view, being as my view is, one of a minority.


You're not stating a view though. You're trying to state a fact that is, quite simply, false.
Reply 71
adampogonowski
well i think that the people who inform me of this are trustable sources of information you see the world as i do. you will not understand my viewpoint and i accept it!

haha - it would happen sooner or later that offense would occur! luckily hardly anyone from my college is on here!


As I said before Cambridge is a very small place!! Eh dear. Please just accept what I and numerous others have said (who have been and are there!) and keep an open mind until you have got there. If you go with preconceived views, they will be nothing more than self fulfilling prophecies anyway. University is all about meeting with and learning about different peoples viewpoints, cultures and backgrounds. Engaging with your peers on an academic and social level is what university is all about. In doing so you will develop as a person, and this experience should prepare you to face what life throws at you.
Mop
You're not stating a view though. You're trying to state a fact that is, quite simply, false.



no it was my perception. it may have appeared as a fact as it had some backing from other people i know, but it was just my view. it after all, did not say this is what cambridge is like; FACT, did it?
if it did, then it was not supposed to.
chriswhit
As I said before Cambridge is a very small place!! Eh dear. Please just accept what I and numerous others have said (who have been and are there!) and keep an open mind until you have got there. If you go with preconceived views, they will be nothing more than self fulfilling prophecies anyway. University is all about meeting with and learning about different peoples viewpoints, cultures and backgrounds. Engaging with your peers on an academic and social level is what university is all about. In doing so you will develop as a person, and this experience should prepare you to face what life throws at you.



and that is why also i am going. but people always have a preconception of something, everybody does, and everybody will have with it some prejudice.

it is impossible not to have a preconception. but whenever i have said something i think i have implied that my preconception could also be incorrect and that i am willing to go with a more open mind. maybe it is too tacitly in my argument for people to see, but it is supposed to be there! (and i was not being patronising there either, i was saying it was my fault it was tacit not those you do not see it)
adampogonowski
no it was my perception. it may have appeared as a fact as it had some backing from other people i know, but it was just my view. it after all, did not say this is what cambridge is like; FACT, did it?
if it did, then it was not supposed to.

It was, whether intended or no, phrased as fact:

one - this grouping, so I'm told, and also as i know, consists of 70-80% of the students at cambridge, who are "toffs and snobs" and who believe they are the intellectual elite of the country, but i do place more emphasis on the toff/snob bit.

You may like to add the words 'possibly', 'might' and 'maybe' into your vocabulary to prevent any future misunderstandings!
MadNatSci
It was, whether intended or no, phrased as fact:


You may like to add the words 'possibly', 'might' and 'maybe' into your vocabulary to prevent any future misunderstandings!



indeed but i did say that earlier in reply to someone else.
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adampogonowski
and that is why also i am going. but people always have a preconception of something, everybody does, and everybody will have with it some prejudice.

it is impossible not to have a preconception. but whenever i have said something i think i have implied that my preconception could also be incorrect and that i am willing to go with a more open mind. maybe it is too tacitly in my argument for people to see, but it is supposed to be there! (and i was not being patronising there either, i was saying it was my fault it was tacit not those you do not see it)


For what its worth I disagree - people are perfectly capable of making a conscious decision to put aside any preconceptions they may have and approach things with an open mind. Unconscious bias is a different matter. Its up to you now, you have advice from a lot of people, take note of it or disregard it, whatever.
chriswhit
For what its worth I disagree - people are perfectly capable of making a conscious decision to put aside any preconceptions they may have and approach things with an open mind. Unconscious bias is a different matter. Its up to you now, you have advice from a lot of people, take note of it or disregard it, whatever.


i didnt say i was disregarding anything, but what it appears to me is, that you seem to be taking some moralistic high ground whereby what ever you say is 100% correct and that your advice is so invaluable that it is untrue.

for all you know i may have already in the past considered opinions like your's.

and it is a very nice ultimatum, concluding that you do appear to be taking some morallly correct position. or what you percieve to be morally correct anyway
Reply 78
Niccolo
Cheers,

By the way, do you think the A Level subjects i did are any good, especially for a history or law degree? Thanks


Well the History "A" level is well known to be frowned upon for a history degree, obvious really. And what use will any essay based subject be for Law? It seems the big State School forte, common sense, wasn't big at your sixth form.

This self indulgent way of talking about yourself and what you have achieved is going to be the biggest problem you will meet at Cam.
Reply 79
adampogonowski
i didnt say i was disregarding anything, but what it appears to me is, that you seem to be taking some moralistic high ground whereby what ever you say is 100% correct and that your advice is so invaluable that it is untrue.

for all you know i may have already in the past considered opinions like your's.

and it is a very nice ultimatum, concluding that you do appear to be taking some morallly correct position. or what you percieve to be morally correct anyway


My "ultimatum" was more to do with the fact that I ceased to care what you did, or didnt do. I have not and never will say that my advice is "100% correct" or invaluable either. As for the "moralistic high ground" I really havent a clue what you are talking about. This is a discussion forum. As such, what you post may attract various view points, which, as with mine, you are free to do as you wish. I hope you have a very enjoyable time at Cambridge - however you choose to define what that may be.

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