Peacey's 'Routes into Teaching' Thread

i was wondering if anyone can help. i have applied to do the 3 year BA Eduaction studies at leeds met. wat is involved in this course? how is it different from the 4year qts programme? and will i be able to do a pgce programme leading to qts? will i get paid during the pgce programme? if these questions could get answered i would very much be grateful thank you!

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santogold

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i was wondering if anyone can help. i have applied to do the 3 year BA Eduaction studies at leeds met. wat is involved in this course? how is it different from the 4year qts programme? and will i be able to do a pgce programme leading to qts? will i get paid during the pgce programme? if these questions could get answered i would very much be grateful thank you!

First of all, if you apply for a course, make sure you know what you apply for! Not trying to be mean, but you should do some research. Will be a good skill for uni too.

In order to find out what the course involves, it is best to check here.

Course Content
Carnegie is refreshing its curriculum to reflect the changing needs of the marketplace and society and to ensure that we remain at the forefront of education studies. As a result a number of new subjects are being introduced to ensure that we remain at the cutting edge in this particular field of study.

Education Studies presents a rigorous overview of educational policies and processes along with historical, political and cultural contexts, which underpin the approaches to the implementation of education and skills.

Students will gain an understanding of the key features of education in the UK along with an opportunity to study features of European systems and, globally those that contribute to world-class
education.

Education Studies offers a range of modules that are underpinned by the theme of learning both in and beyond formal educational settings. There is an opportunity for personal research and some opportunities for work placements in non-teacher roles.

You will study the discipline of education, whereas if you did teacher training, such as the 4 year Primary Education course, you would study the NC subjects, education studies, and have teaching practice.

With a degree in Education Studies you can progress onto a Primary PGCE. If you have a specific subject you like, it may be good to combine them and study for a combined honours degree in, e.g. education and english.

You don't get paid during the PGCE, but you receive a tuition fee loan, a grant of £6000 (paid over the 9 months) and you can apply for a student loan as well.

Reply 22

Cruzaro

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So, wat if i wanted to do a main degree.. THEN a Masters.. THEN go into teaching?

Reply 23

Peacey

OP

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Cruzaro

So, wat if i wanted to do a main degree.. THEN a Masters.. THEN go into teaching?

Not a problem, it's what I did; a Masters and PGCE are different forms of qualification - what's your concern?

Reply 24

kirst6pe

Im kind of confused on the routes. I am in year 12 and considering going to uni and training to be a primary teacher, I would like to teach year one. Do you have to specialise in something? And which route is the best I am doing A-Levels in Psychology, Business Studies and Health and Social care (Double Award)...

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santogold

15

Sounds like a good choice of A-levels to me.
In order to teach in a primary school you can apply to university for a degree in Primary Education with QTS (Qualified Teacher Status). You can, but do not have to, apply for specialism in early years if you are interested in teaching year 1. But normally your degree will allow you to teach foundation statge, key stage 1 and 2.

You could also do a degree without QTS in Education, Early Childhood Studies or a National Curriculum subject, such as English (or a combination). Then you could do a PGCE afterwards.

It all depends on how passionate you are about teaching. If you are determined, have experience and feel like you want to teach no matter what, then the primary education degree is what I'd recommend.

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kirst6pe

Thanks for clearing that up :smile:

I feel much less confused now

Reply 27

IainC

Out of intrest what happens if your degree is in a subject not often taught in schools / only for 6th form - i.e. mine Politics??

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gentoo

If you choose a 6th Form type degree (like Politics) then you can either go into teaching in FE once you have a teaching qualififcation or you may find enough elements overlap for you to be accepted onto a PGCE to teach secondary history or even become a primary teacher if you show enough enthusaism.

On a slightly different note - if you are not sure which age group you want to teach it is easier to train to teach older students and then move down into the younger age groups than it is to train to teach (say) primary and move into secondary. I trained for secondary science and over my 12 years of teaching I've experienced teaching 3.5 to 19 year olds. One of my friends went to do a BEd in primary with science as a specialism but is not considered to have enough specialist knowledge of science to teach above year 6.
Good luck

Reply 29

sarah jayne

just a question about PGCE's after youve done a degree!
im in my second year of my law degree and really want to teach law to gcse/ a level students and wondered if there is actually a specific pgce for this subject and if so if anyone knows where abouts i can do this as im studying in leeds at the moment and dont really want to have to travel to far away to do it!! thanks x

Reply 30

The Boosh

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^^^ You can do a secondary PGCE (for compulsory school education) or a PGCE-PCE (for post-compulsory education). The secondary PGCE will allow you to teach GCSE and A-level in schools/colleges. The PGCE-PCE will only allow you to teach in post-16 provision. Both the secondary PGCE and the PGCE-PCE have different training routes (i.e. if you are more interest in A-levels and post-16 college provision then the PGCE-PCE is the best route because your training is offered with an emphasis in this are).

The question is wether or not you want to do school-aged students or post-16 students. Both groups can do GCSE, both obviously, but the context is different.

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Zebrastripes

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If you do a PGCE can you ask to be placed in sixth forms for placement (instead of doing the PGCE-PCE, as some people say its pointless). I've been in a school today and the year 10's are horrific!! But the year 7, 8 and 9's were quite nice. Can you just teach these three years, or do you have to teach all 5 years? I really want to teach, but GCSE students from what i saw today and what i remember from my school days are so horrible. Either side seem to be fine. I want to teach English.

Reply 32

santogold

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Not sure if you can choose on your placements, or in general. I guess you need to be a bit more experienced for GCSE classes? Sorry, I don't really know.

Another option could be doing a PGCE for KS 2 and 3. I know this is getting rarer by the minute and so are middle schools, but it could provide you with a better chance of teaching English in those years you like.

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username43524

thanks a lot, i wasn't sure if the route 'Joint Honours Degree in Main Subject and Education Studies + PGCE' would work, but now i have seen this post, i am certain that i will seriously consider that route, along with 'Degree in main sugject and PGCE' It's good to have options, thanks

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Nally

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I'm just starting to work out a possible route in to teaching - I'm currently studying a Cert HE in Counselling & Psychotherapy and am about to start an Advanced Diploma in Language and Literacy and am then hoping to get onto a two year BA Education & Training (Primary with QTS). Will this BA course restrict my career progression at all? Would it make it more difficult to find a job as it doesn't have subject specialism (as far as I am aware - still waiting on course booklets!)?
Any advice gratefully received - I have been thinking about teaching for a very long time but have sort of gone round the houses with it a little bit!

Thanks

Nally

Reply 35

santogold

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Nally

I'm just starting to work out a possible route in to teaching - I'm currently studying a Cert HE in Counselling & Psychotherapy and am about to start an Advanced Diploma in Language and Literacy and am then hoping to get onto a two year BA Education & Training (Primary with QTS). Will this BA course restrict my career progression at all? Would it make it more difficult to find a job as it doesn't have subject specialism (as far as I am aware - still waiting on course booklets!)?
Any advice gratefully received - I have been thinking about teaching for a very long time but have sort of gone round the houses with it a little bit!

Thanks

Nally

Hi Nally,

A lot of ITT providers don't offer a subject specialism for Primary. I don't think it will limit your job prospects.
Is this the 2 year degree at Brighton Uni? Because, as far as I remember, they offer specialisms.