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They go to work (according to maslow) to satisify their basic needs. After this it all about job satisifation this is why a lot of teachers prefer working in innercity schools as they can actually make a different and a real impact on kids lives.
Maslow? Ooooohhh, cutting edge stuff........20 years ago!

Anyway. Yes, lots of teachers chose to work in the inner cities. And a lot wouldn't enter an inner city school if you forced them at gunpoint.

Takes all types I guess but the real question is this: Should they be free to choose where they work or not? Fishpaste thinks that they should be posessions of the State. I don't.
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They go to work (according to maslow) to satisify their basic needs. After this it all about job satisifation this is why a lot of teachers prefer working in innercity schools as they can actually make a different and a real impact on kids lives.
Maslow? Ooooohhh, cutting edge stuff........20 years ago!

Anyway. Yes, lots of teachers chose to work in the inner cities. And a lot wouldn't enter an inner city school if you forced them at gunpoint.

Takes all types I guess but the real question is this: Should they be free to choose where they work or not? Fishpaste thinks that they're labor should be owned by the State. I don't.
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I'm very glad you can afford the first four, it's providing people with incentive to work. But education is different! It's an essential right for everybody, and nobody should be disadvantaged in life because of their parents' salaries and attitudes.
So what? If my parents want to use their hard earned cash to send me to a public school, then there is nothing wrong with that. Schooling and healthcare are basic rights - but it's perfectly fair to "upgrade" your services if you want to, either through public schooling or private healthcare. They've worked hard throughout their lives and now I have a good start in life. That's what happens in a capitalist society.

What right do you have to tell my parents how to spend their money??!!
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So what? If my parents want to use their hard earned cash to send me to a public school, then there is nothing wrong with that. Schooling and healthcare are basic rights - but it's perfectly fair to "upgrade" your services if you want to, either through public schooling or private healthcare. They've worked hard throughout their lives and now I have a good start in life. That's what happens in a capitalist society.

What right do you have to tell my parents how to spend their money??!!
Bloody right Tek!
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So what? If my parents want to use their hard earned cash to send me to a public school, then there is nothing wrong with that. Schooling and healthcare are basic rights - but it's perfectly fair to "upgrade" your services if you want to, either through public schooling or private healthcare. They've worked hard throughout their lives and now I have a good start in life. That's what happens in a capitalist society.

What right do you have to tell my parents how to spend their money??!!
I'm going to outline it one more time.

If your parents were damaging society by spending their money on developing a nuclear arsenal, then I would complain, as I am doing now. This is why I have a right to tell your parents how to spend their money. We do it all the time! "Don't spend your money on crack coaine!" "Don't spend your money on prostitutes!" "Don't spend your money on child porn!"

THE BASIC POINT IS THIS. WHEN YOU CONSUME PRIVATE EDUCATION, YOU DEPRIVE THE STATE OF THEIR TEACHERS. THIS IS UNFAIR TO POOR PEOPLE. THIS SHOULD BE BANNED.

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I'm going to outline it one more time.

If your parents were damaging society by spending their money on developing a nuclear arsenal, then I would complain, as I am doing now. This is why I have a right to tell your parents how to spend their money. We do it all the time! "Don't spend your money on crack coaine!" "Don't spend your money on prostitutes!" "Don't spend your money on child porn!"

THE BASIC POINT IS THIS. WHEN YOU CONSUME PRIVATE EDUCATION, YOU DEPRIVE THE STATE OF THEIR TEACHERS. THIS IS UNFAIR TO POOR PEOPLE. THIS SHOULD BE BANNED.

Night.
Not THEIR teachers!! Why are they THEIRS?
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Bloody right Tek!
I'm not sure what I think about it. Teks parents can spend their money on whatever they like but I think he sounds like he has so much more than myself, but then again his parents probably work so much harder than mine. And then I think to myself they probably had better prospects from the moment they were born.

But money isn't everything. B
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I'm going to outline it one more time.

If your parents were damaging society by spending their money on developing a nuclear arsenal, then I would complain, as I am doing now. This is why I have a right to tell your parents how to spend their money. We do it all the time! "Don't spend your money on crack coaine!" "Don't spend your money on prostitutes!" "Don't spend your money on child porn!"

THE BASIC POINT IS THIS. WHEN YOU CONSUME PRIVATE EDUCATION, YOU DEPRIVE THE STATE OF THEIR TEACHERS. THIS IS UNFAIR TO POOR PEOPLE. THIS SHOULD BE BANNED.

Night.
Only an idiot would try to compare public schooling to prostitution, crack cocaine and child porn. Only an idiot.

Did you never stop to consider that by using public education, I am in fact benefiting the state system, in that I'm not using my place there, but am still paying for it?
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I'm going to outline it one more time.

If your parents were damaging society by spending their money on developing a nuclear arsenal, then I would complain, as I am doing now. This is why I have a right to tell your parents how to spend their money. We do it all the time! "Don't spend your money on crack coaine!" "Don't spend your money on prostitutes!" "Don't spend your money on child porn!"

THE BASIC POINT IS THIS. WHEN YOU CONSUME PRIVATE EDUCATION, YOU DEPRIVE THE STATE OF THEIR TEACHERS. THIS IS UNFAIR TO POOR PEOPLE. THIS SHOULD BE BANNED.

Night.
Your argument is totally ridiculous and I'm sure everyone realises it but you. Your analogies are completely and utterly flawed.
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I'm not sure what I think about it. Teks parents can spend their money on whatever they like but I think he sounds like he has so much more than myself, but then again his parents probably work so much harder than mine. And then I think to myself they probably had better prospects from the moment they were born.

But money isn't everything. B
And having more money than others is called "capitalism".
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And having more money than others is called "capitalism".
I know. I'm coming round to the idea, I'm starting to think like 'care for yourself only'.
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Only an idiot would try to compare public schooling to prostitution, crack cocaine and child porn. Only an idiot.

Did you never stop to consider that by using public education, I am in fact benefiting the state system, in that I'm not using my place there, but am still paying for it?
How does it not compare? DO THEY NOT BOTH DAMAGE SOCIETY? THEREFORE IT'S A RELEVANT COMPARISON.

You're so bloody closed minded.

This has now come to the argument of merit. Should education be based on merit or your parents' salaraies? I don't think somebody who is cleverer than you should fail in life because your parents had some cash.
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Only an idiot would try to compare public schooling to prostitution, crack cocaine and child porn. Only an idiot.

Did you never stop to consider that by using public education, I am in fact benefiting the state system, in that I'm not using my place there, but am still paying for it?
interesting point.

The only thing is that i'm sure the pivate schools would attract good teachers taking them away from the state schools but i thought that the government paid off debts of graduate wanting to go into teaching. I'm not sure if this applys if the teachers go straight off to private schools but if it is hte government is spening lots of money on teacher that might never teachin the state sector.
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Your argument is totally ridiculous and I'm sure everyone realises it but you. Your analogies are completely and utterly flawed.
The prostitution etc etc stuff was my examples of how we tell people how to spend their money all the time. People here have some random idea that people should be allowed to spend their money on whatever they please, regardless of the effects on other people. I was demonstrating how society does otherwise everyday.

But do go on, how are my analogies flawed, does the principle not hold common?
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How does it not compare? DO THEY NOT BOTH DAMAGE SOCIETY? THEREFORE IT'S A RELEVANT COMPARISON.

You're so bloody closed minded.

This has now come to the argument of merit. Should education be based on merit or your parents' salaraies? I don't think somebody who is cleverer than you should fail in life because your parents had some cash.
Oh god, your reasoning is completely idiotic. I think you might be one of the few people who would actually benefit from "Critical Thinking" AS!
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Well, thank Christ for that. I was beginning to think it was only me that thought Fishpaste's argument was *******s.

If he/she really thinks that public schooling is as bad as crack addiction for society then I'd recommend a visit to the home of a public school kid and a crack addict in quick sucession. Spot the difference?
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Oh god, your reasoning is completely. I think you might be one of the few people who would actually benefit from "Critical Thinking" AS.
I did it
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Well, thank Christ for that. I was beginning to think it was only me that thought Fishpaste's argument was *******s.

If he/she really thinks that public schooling is as bad as crack addiction for society then I'd recommend a visit to the home of a public school kid and a crack addict in quick sucession. Spot the difference?
Did I say it was as bad? Or are you making gross assumptions of my statements in order to avoid my reasoning?
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If he/she really thinks that public schooling is as bad as crack addiction for society then I'd recommend a visit to the home of a public school kid and a crack addict in quick sucession. Spot the difference?
Oh, it's so true!
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The prostitution etc etc stuff was my examples of how we tell people how to spend their money all the time. People here have some random idea that people should be allowed to spend their money on whatever they please, regardless of the effects on other people. I was demonstrating how society does otherwise everyday.

But do go on, how are my analogies flawed, does the principle not hold common?
No. They should be able to spend their money as they freely please so long as it's legal.
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