**URGENT* Potentially the end of the modified car scene

More authoritarian nonsense from the EU: 'Clamping down on mileage fraud, with registered mileage readings.'. This will only help them to enforce 'professional' only servicing of vehicles and will do nothing to stop clocking.

This is only part of a wider EU trend towards reducing liberty and controlling every aspect of our lives. Simply unacceptable.

Reply 21

fruit_n_veg

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It would seem the real problem here is uncertainty, especially in terms of interpretation by the Department for Transport. This is important as the EU's new regulations will result in the passage of new statutory regulations within the UK, so the interpretation is hugely important. The EU law itself can't be enforced against us lot as Joe Public, but the UK's system of government must uphold these EU rules (even if nobody else does).

While the lack of modification doesn't concern me, the introduction of a rule of no right to repair my own vehicle is very concerning. In other news, PistonHeads has put a short update on here.

Reply 22

455409

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Original post by JC.

There are already laws in place to prevent this.
It's called construction and use.

Do you really think someone who takes the front drum brakes off their morris minor and fits disk brakes from a Marina is an idiot?

Yes, buy a car with disc brakes in the first place.

Remember when that family were killed because their grandad had fitted a range rover axle to a series 3 land rover and it caused the car to career into oncoming traffic, killing everyone?

Yeah, he was out by 2 inches on the alignment.

It's to stop things like this.

Besides might i add Germany already has this and they still have a huge aftermarket parts market, because the parts become type approved.

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 23

SteveAMG

Original post by james1211

Yes, buy a car with disc brakes in the first place.

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You do know most of the 'older' cars were not fitted with disk brakes in the first place? Also everyone knows drums brakes have less braking efficiency than discs, so you want all of the old cars to go back to drum brakes and asbestos linings making driving much more dangerous?

Reply 24

455409

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Original post by SteveAMG

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You do know most of the 'older' cars were not fitted with disk brakes in the first place? Also everyone knows drums brakes have less braking efficiency than discs, so you want all of the old cars to go back to drum brakes and asbestos linings making driving much more dangerous?

What? Who said anything like that? I said if someone wants a car with disc brakes, they should buy one with disc brakes already. Likelihood is the original car was never built to take disc brakes and the increase in power and differences in material stresses could cause damage to the chassis or wheels in the long term rendering it dangerous.

Just one circumstance.

If the rule was that only adaptations that were tested and approved safe for use on certain cars were allowed, then the chances of a major fcckup are reduced.

Nowhere does it say in this EU proposal that modifications will be banned, only ones safe to use will be allowed which is good.

Reply 25

JC.

OP

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Original post by james1211

What? Who said anything like that? I said if someone wants a car with disc brakes, they should buy one with disc brakes already. Likelihood is the original car was never built to take disc brakes and the increase in power and differences in material stresses could cause damage to the chassis or wheels in the long term rendering it dangerous.

Just one circumstance.

If the rule was that only adaptations that were tested and approved safe for use on certain cars were allowed, then the chances of a major fcckup are reduced.

Nowhere does it say in this EU proposal that modifications will be banned, only ones safe to use will be allowed which is good.

Not sure if you're serious or just unable to read between the lines?
To pass an MOT a car must comply with it's type aproval (everything after 1960 is type approved)
Therefore, if a car doesn't meet it's type aproval it cannot pass an MOT.
If that's the case then the car must be BIVA's to satisfy that it can meet MODERN safety standards.

So, to that end, our little morris minor with marina disk brakes can't pass an MOT because it does not conform to type aproval
Let's BIVA it then? Sorry mate, can't pass BIVA. The glass isn't E marked, the car cannot comply with various radius rules, petrol cap doesn't lock etc...
So our morris minor which can now stop better is now illegal to use on the road because it cannot meet original type approval and because of the design of the car in period cannot pass the BIVA test.
It's now an ornament and cannot be used on the road and all because we have "modified it away from type aproval", this is despite actually making the car safer.

Reply 26

455409

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Original post by JC.

Not sure if you're serious or just unable to read between the lines?
To pass an MOT a car must comply with it's type aproval (everything after 1960 is type approved)
Therefore, if a car doesn't meet it's type aproval it cannot pass an MOT.
If that's the case then the car must be BIVA's to satisfy that it can meet MODERN safety standards.

So, to that end, our little morris minor with marina disk brakes can't pass an MOT because it does not conform to type aproval
Let's BIVA it then? Sorry mate, can't pass BIVA. The glass isn't E marked, the car cannot comply with various radius rules, petrol cap doesn't lock etc...
So our morris minor which can now stop better is now illegal to use on the road because it cannot meet original type approval and because of the design of the car in period cannot pass the BIVA test.
It's now an ornament and cannot be used on the road and all because we have "modified it away from type aproval", this is despite actually making the car safer.

You know i've come to the conclusion you're a bit of a simpleton. Consider what you're saying the EU will supposedly do to motorists and try again.

There's just no way they'd leave people and businesses high and dry like that. It's only a draft outlining the ideas and principles they want to convey, so thus has not yet been redrawn to show any practical issues and fixes yet.

Calm down :rolleyes:

Reply 27

JC.

OP

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... which only needs to be read twice in the eu parliament to become law.
It isn't "just a draft" they've lumped together a lot of small issues that have already been through the consultation process.

For what it's worth, If you've got to resort to making personal snipes then you've lost the argument.

Reply 28

DJkG.1

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I'm quite sure something will be done to save us from the excesses of the Directive.

A confusing prohibition though.

Reply 29

davidelliott294

This will never EVER go through. Think about how many performance garages will end up going out of business because of this? That'll cost the government as well. Nevertheless it's bull****.

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 30

CurlyBen

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I'm concerned, but I'm not sure it's quite time to panic just yet. The end of SVA had people worried that non-type approved vehicles would come to an end, but the IVA seems a reasonable replacement - whilst it's more demanding in some aspects, it's not unreasonable. The biggest problem is making voices heard, as a small group of people from one of what, 27? nations probably isn't going to do much to sway EU bureaucrats.

The bigger problem is inherent in the EU - ideas that aren't bad in themselves (harmonising standards so, for example, companies only need to build to one specification) but which almost inevitably lead to lots of people inconvenienced by 'progress' (a driving example - until '97 you were automatically given several more categories of licence when you passed your driving test, but now you need to take an additional bunch of tests). Not to mention that bureaucrats want to legislate for everything.

Reply 31

Y333EEE

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Original post by kumori

i don't see the point of adding mods to a cars anway... but that's because everyone seem to put big exhausts and spoilers to say 'look at me my crappy car with 1 window smashed and running a r reg is better then you' oh yer and big saxo across there chavvy boy racer saxo cars, which they think can go faster then any other car on the road till I laugh at them not letting them undertake me.

You're obviously from Essex then....

Down here in Devon most of us at least have some taste when modifying a car. My 1997 Fiesta 1.25 has got parts from the Zetec S on the suspension and thats it. From outside it just looks like an ordinary Fiesta but, thanks to the suspension modifictions it handles like its on rails. As you can see i drive a modified car and I still laugh at those who fit those hideous bodykits to their cars. These people just have bad taste.

On another note, this whole piece of legislation is b****cks! Have these people seriously got nothing better to do than to dream up pieces of needless legislation?

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 32

JC.

OP

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Original post by Y333EEE

You're obviously from Essex then....

Down here in Devon most of us at least have some taste when modifying a car. My 1997 Fiesta 1.25 has got parts from the Zetec S on the suspension and thats it. From outside it just looks like an ordinary Fiesta but, thanks to the suspension modifictions it handles like its on rails. As you can see i drive a modified car and I still laugh at those who fit those hideous bodykits to their cars. These people just have bad taste.

Whether you laugh or not, people in this country should continue to enjoy the right to do as they please as long as it doesn't constitute a danger to others.

Whats the difference between a saxo with a body kit and a mk1 escort rally car or an MGB Sebring replica or a cobra kit car?
Ans: the choice of base vehicle.

Reply 33

kumori

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Original post by Y333EEE

You're obviously from Essex then....

Down here in Devon most of us at least have some taste when modifying a car. My 1997 Fiesta 1.25 has got parts from the Zetec S on the suspension and thats it. From outside it just looks like an ordinary Fiesta but, thanks to the suspension modifictions it handles like its on rails. As you can see i drive a modified car and I still laugh at those who fit those hideous bodykits to their cars. These people just have bad taste.

On another note, this whole piece of legislation is b****cks! Have these people seriously got nothing better to do than to dream up pieces of needless legislation?

nope not from Essex im from Lancashire :biggrin:

Reply 34

omarion526

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Original post by JC.

This affects everyone with an interest in cars.

If this goes through then in 6 weeks’ time all modified cars are effectively illegal. You can forget about the current 8 point system too. This is an EU directive that effectively supersedes what we have now! That's everything from the young guy with a stainless exhaust on his/her saxo, through to hot-rods, via pro touring cars, via modified classics, veedub scene... you name it we are ALL affected.
Even modern cars with different alloys will become embroiled.

There will be more info soon from the ACE about what we can do, but for now just spread the word. We need to make our voices heard that this is NOT acceptable. This is the UK, we don't need or want to be told what to do by Brussels.

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/#more-901

I didnt think you could legally enforce statute that would effect vehicles that were modified pre introduction? Especially in the sense of non oem but essential or pattern upgrades and replacement.. I dont think itd stand personally but heres to hoping.

Thats from someone whos only read into it as far as over reacting and under reading reactions on the net go, mind...

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 35

IntelligenceArtifi

My car is a modified Corolla Axio but it was modified by Toyota TRD (Toyota Racing Development) and not me. So its basically stock even though it has sport parts. I'm guessing I won't have problems will I? Nor should cars like Subaru Impreza WRX STI and all.

My cousins has a very modified Toyota Supra, will this make that car illegal? I can't imagine all that money going to waste!

Up yours, Brussels.

Original post by YMLT

No, getting unemployment down, improving schools & saving the NHS is important.

This is merely 'meh'.

Because the government gets no tax revenue from the aftermarket parts market, right? That's not to mention the cost of policing this. Then again when has this ever been a consideration for EU directives...

Reply 38

Hunglikeamuuule

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I can't see this going through, loads of business's will be out, classic car owners will be buggered for parts and at a time like this, I can't see the government allowing it. Nearly every old car is going to have aftermarket parts because it's cheaper and cannot afford expensive new cars and expensive garage repairs, really stupid typical EU rule, won't go through and even if it does I'm still driving my car because I pay for the tax, MOT and insurance to allow my car on the road. I heard this rule was going on for years anyway.