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Original post by Boab
I feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall here. I have answered this, many times already.

Sticking with Plan A, wins votes.
Surrendering to rUK threats loses votes.

Its very simple.


How is it surrendering to have a contingency?


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Original post by TheBugle
Also, I wonder if Labour have shot themselves in the foot, and put a further dent in the unionist's cause, by side-lining with the Tories yet again over the welfare cap.

www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/party-that-made-the-welfare-state-has-lost-its-credibility.23784382?_=b4182bff4b3cf75f9e54f4990f9bd153c0c2973c


Ah, you're back. Happy to accept the white paper in fact reads like an SNP manifesto?


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Original post by Ridingmyego
Westminister gives 33 Billion a year to the scottish parliament. I've often heard the response that Scotland has been given more back to England, but I would like to ask if you have statistics which I could verify this please?


Scotland consistently receives more than it puts in and this can be determined from Scottish Government figures. Google 'GERS 2011-12' and such like.


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Original post by CFL2013
Why do you think they are lying? It would not be in the rUKs interest at all to enter a currency union with an independent government. The basic economics show this quite clearly.


You talk about embarrassment, then come out with that gibberish. Firstly, they don't, there is many many different opinions on this from lots of respected economists.
Secondly, economics is far from simple and even the best economists in the world struggle to predict the future.

And as for a NO voter trying to give advice to the YES campaign? They are doing fine without it.
Original post by Midlander
Ah, you're back. Happy to accept the white paper in fact reads like an SNP manifesto?


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Thanks for welcoming me back. I tried to google-fu your copy-paste job, but gave up in the end.
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Original post by Midlander
Scotland consistently receives more than it puts in and this can be determined from Scottish Government figures. Google 'GERS 2011-12' and such like.


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Well in that case you'll be happy to be rid of us drains on your money! :tongue:
Original post by TheBugle
Thanks for welcoming me back. I tried to google-fu your copy-paste job, but gave up in the end.


Google-fu?
Original post by Boab
Well in that case you'll be happy to be rid of us drains on your money! :tongue:


Every part of the UK loses money (though I can't find the figures on England I'm quite sure as a whole it does), just the Scots are the only ones who claim the opposite.
Original post by Midlander
Scotland consistently receives more than it puts in and this can be determined from Scottish Government figures. Google 'GERS 2011-12' and such like.


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Thank you! I knew Scotland couldn't possibly be giving more than 33 billion a year to Westminister, but it's amazing how often 'independence' pursuers retort with this.
Original post by Boab
YES

A few points here, a few points there is how we win!
Crack on with your biased hard analysis though, see how many votes that sways your way :rolleyes:


Do you really think that somebody who says yes in a phone interview is knowingly going to risk their, and their kids economic downturn?
Original post by TheBugle
Also, I wonder if Labour have shot themselves in the foot, and put a further dent in the unionist's cause, by side-lining with the Tories yet again over the welfare cap.

www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/party-that-made-the-welfare-state-has-lost-its-credibility.23784382?_=b4182bff4b3cf75f9e54f4990f9bd153c0c2973c


So you think its acceptable for benefits to be paid at a higher level than the average wage?

Think before you type. Even the bedroom tax has a broad level of support in Scotland.
Original post by Ridingmyego
Thank you! I knew Scotland couldn't possibly be giving more than 33 billion a year to Westminister, but it's amazing how often 'independence' pursuers retort with this.


Previously I thought that the figures for English tax receipts were not available. Turns out they are, and it also turns out that England contributes a higher % of tax income than its % population of the UK. When you look at the amount contributed versus received, England gets a 'subsidy' of about £1k per head. Scotland gets £2k per head more, Wales is £4.5k, and Northern Ireland a whopping £5.1k.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/statistics/receipts/disagg-method.pdf
Original post by Midlander
Previously I thought that the figures for English tax receipts were not available. Turns out they are, and it also turns out that England contributes a higher % of tax income than its % population of the UK. When you look at the amount contributed versus received, England gets a 'subsidy' of about £1k per head. Scotland gets £2k per head more, Wales is £4.5k, and Northern Ireland a whopping £5.1k.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/statistics/receipts/disagg-method.pdf


You'll generally find that NI & Wales are the ones that are receiving a high amount of spending. But for some unknown reason the SNP have been pushing this myth that all of Scotland's money is going to London.

I'd be happier if they were truthful and say 'we don't want share and keep it all ourselves as although we like to say we're socialists, we're just greedy.'

Its just greed really.
Original post by MatureStudent36
You'll generally find that NI & Wales are the ones that are receiving a high amount of spending. But for some unknown reason the SNP have been pushing this myth that all of Scotland's money is going to London.

I'd be happier if they were truthful and say 'we don't want share and keep it all ourselves as although we like to say we're socialists, we're just greedy.'

Its just greed really.


Scotland receives the 2nd most but contributes far more than Wales or NI on a per head basis.
Original post by Midlander
Scotland receives the 2nd most but contributes far more than Wales or NI on a per head basis.


I liked when Joan macAlpine claimed that scottiah money was being used on London's sewers.....then found out it was paid for by Londoners.
Original post by MatureStudent36
I liked when Joan macAlpine claimed that scottiah money was being used on London's sewers.....then found out it was paid for by Londoners.


I presume Yes campaigners will now be directing attention to the unfairness in paying for the good people of Cardiff and Belfast?


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Original post by Boab
You talk about embarrassment, then come out with that gibberish. Firstly, they don't, there is many many different opinions on this from lots of respected economists.
Secondly, economics is far from simple and even the best economists in the world struggle to predict the future.

And as for a NO voter trying to give advice to the YES campaign? They are doing fine without it.


I don't know your economic background so excuse me if I sound patronising, but you do know how a basic monetary system works I take it? You would have no control over your interest rate or money supply. Do you understand the implications of this? Even the most tin-pot countries retain a currency and central bank. Why do you think this is?

Whatever YES keep saying about bluff, bluster etc, there is absolutely no chance of a currency union on these terms. None. It would be disastrous for the rUK. Even the 'transaction fee' line is absolute nonsense. By that logic we should join the Euro, we do ten times more trade with them. Why do you think we haven't? For the same reasons as above, monetary control.

I am not Yes or No, I feel those in Scotland should be able to do as they please. But I do think you should know the full story.
Original post by Midlander
I presume Yes campaigners will now be directing attention to the unfairness in paying for the good people of Cardiff and Belfast?


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Not at all. Target the SE and tell them how better off they'll be.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-26706904

She's even said it to the NE England

http://m.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-independence-bad-for-north-of-england-1-3327716
Original post by MatureStudent36
So you think its acceptable for benefits to be paid at a higher level than the average wage?

Think before you type. Even the bedroom tax has a broad level of support in Scotland.


How did you come to that bizarre conclusion?

People will put off now that they know they will be voting for tories or tory light at westminster.
Original post by TheBugle
How did you come to that bizarre conclusion?

People will put off now that they know they will be voting for tories or tory light at westminster.


Well the benefits cap that you've grief whored about is merely setting out that those on benefits shouldn't be earning more than those who work.

You do realise that a policy like that is popular amongst the electorate don't you?

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