UKIP MEP&#x27;s home is attacked

probably planned by UKIP to get public sympathy. When was the last time UKIP condemned fascist firebomb attacks or the EDL ?
UKIP seems to egg on such fascist and provide them with political cover

Reply 24

OMGWTFBBQ

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Original post by momomomo123

I understand where the attackers are coming from but even for a UKIP politician, this treatment is too severe.
Maybe it would be more acceptable if it was done to a BNP politician or EDL member.

Breaking the law is not acceptable regardless of the victim.

Reply 25

yourFuture

What I don't get is why UAF are suddenly getting all arsey around the European elections, these elections are probably one of the most meaningless in the country, if it wasn't for UKIP nobody would even bat an eyelid at these elections. None of the other political parties are taking it seriously, i've seen their leaflets none of them are even related to this election.

Lib Dems: we need to stay in Europe to protect jobs
- well this isn't a referendum this is an EU election that doesn't change whether we are in the EU anyway, so pointless argument.

Labour: Something about cost of living crisis and the tories
- What does this have to do with European elections?

Conservatives: Tell you what they did about cutting deficit and that only they can deliver change in Europe as UKIP can't do it
- Your EU group is one of the smallest out there you don't have a chance in hell of changing it. Also why can't UKIP change it?

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Reply 26

Original post by DK_Tipp

Incredible. We'll just wipe authoritarian right wingers like Hitler and Mussolini and bloody minded neo-liberals like Pinochet from history shall we.

And now we have Britain First planning to defend UKIP with armoured cars and ex servicemen. Sound familiar?

Funny that you miss people like this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

Maybe you need to be reminded of history? You know, when political opposition is met with violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

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Reply 27

Original post by james22

I wasn't even thinking of the really extreme historical figures, but I can counter that with Hitler. I was more thinking of people who are alive and active now.

Like these guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Army

Or are these people more your type?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

I suppose you are best friends with these "men of the people" too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

Maybe you are looking for something a bit more British?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism

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Reply 28

DK_Tipp

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Original post by the mezzil

Funny that you miss people like this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

Maybe you need to be reminded of history? You know, when political opposition is met with violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

I never claimed there were no violent leftists (though Stalin's Left wing claims are dubious, Guevara is a better example of a true leftist with a taste for violence). I thought it important though to point out that violence is far from preserve of the left.

Interesting you bring up the Night of the Long Knives given that the Brownshirts were the main victims. And yet you won't address the issue of Britain First offering paramillitary like protection to UKIP.

Reply 29

The Socktor

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While I in no way condone acts of violence against people, well... there's this:

http://votejaniceatkinsonukip.co.uk/Media/Press-Releases/Anti-racist-12-05-2014.pdf

Reply 30

james22

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Original post by the mezzil

Like these guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Army

Or are these people more your type?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

I suppose you are best friends with these "men of the people" too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

Maybe you are looking for something a bit more British?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism

I was thinking of people who actually conform to the ideology you are attacking, not the most extreme versions of it. But again, there are equally bad right wing versions of the above.

I'm not sure waht you are trying to say, that there are extreme far left people out there? Well there are hundereds of extreme right people out there too. You initially said that this was evidence that the left were violent stalinists,which is absolutely is not. Or at least, only in the way that the KKK are evidence that the right wing are all nazis.

Reply 31

username521617

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Intimidation, abuse and violence aren't methods anyone should be using if it's bigotry, totalitarianism and fascism you claim to be fighting against. Nothing hurts your cause more.

If you want to maintain a democratic society, then you have to let opposing opinions be heard in the public forum regardless of whether you happen to agree with them.

Lastly, I've given UKIP's manifesto a read and it doesn't appear to closely reflect the very charged opinions people have about them.

Reply 32

It is being covered by the media now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27405765

Although I don't support this kind of thuggishness, it's worth pointing out that he isn't the only MP (or MEP) who has been subjected to this kind of thing, so it's hardly just the left that do it. Numerous Labour MPs have been physically attacked over the years, had their homes attacked and even had arson committed on both homes and offices. So please, stop raising this as if it is some new thing and only happening to the extreme right.

Reply 33

Original post by Dandaman1

Intimidation, abuse and violence aren't methods anyone should be using if it's bigotry, totalitarianism and fascism you claim to be fighting against. Nothing hurts your cause more.

If you want to maintain a democratic society, then you have to let opposing opinions be heard in the public forum regardless of whether you happen to agree with them.

Lastly, I've given UKIP's manifesto a read and it doesn't appear to closely reflect the very charged opinions people have about them.

Which manifesto are you talking about? They removed the one that was on their website for over a year and replaced it with two pages of bland nonsense.

Reply 34

Llamageddon

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I'll be honest here you've made a poor attempt at shoehorning this into your left=fascist narrative

Reply 35

anosmianAcrimony

Do we even know it was in response to his political stance, or were they just after his telly?

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Original post by Fullofsurprises

It is being covered by the media now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27405765

Although I don't support this kind of thuggishness, it's worth pointing out that he isn't the only MP (or MEP) who has been subjected to this kind of thing, so it's hardly just the left that do it. Numerous Labour MPs have been physically attacked over the years, had their homes attacked and even had arson committed on both homes and offices. So please, stop raising this as if it is some new thing and only happening to the extreme right.

You do know UKIP aren't the extreme right yes?

Reply 37

Original post by the mezzil

You do know UKIP aren't the extreme right yes?

They are certainly the extreme right of the Tory Party. :lol:

Seriously, yes, I know they aren't planting bombs or murdering gays. However, they definitely relate to the far right, otherwise why would the EDL have endorsed them? Why else would they be full of racists and people who just generally don't like people like them?

Why else would it even be something being discussed that they would ally in Europe with Wilder's fascist party in Holland or the neo-fascist and notoriously anti-semitic Front National in France? Farage has had talks in the past with both these parties, although of course he now pretends that such an alliance isn't on the cards.

Reply 38

Original post by Fullofsurprises

They are certainly the extreme right of the Tory Party. :lol:

Seriously, yes, I know they aren't planting bombs or murdering gays. However, they definitely relate to the far right, otherwise why would the EDL have endorsed them? Why else would they be full of racists and people who just generally don't like people like them?

Why else would it even be something being discussed that they would ally in Europe with Wilder's fascist party in Holland or the neo-fascist and notoriously anti-semitic Front National in France? Farage has had talks in the past with both these parties, although of course he now pretends that such an alliance isn't on the cards.

Clearly you did not pay much attention in economics class during your PPE degree. Shall I remind you what "far right" is? Being right wing has nothing to do with throwing bricks or hanging homosexuals. More so to do with the economics. Even the Nazis were not "right wing" since their economic actions were pretty much fully socialist, which nationalisation projects, similar to what Stalin was doing at the time.

The EDL are not "right wing", unless they have pulled out an election manifesto in the past few days that advocates a fully free capitalist market. No? I didn't think so either. They are basically intolerant bigots with authoritarian tendencies, not "right wing".

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