UKIP MEP's home is attacked

The only way you can enforce modern socialism now is with state backed coercion. It is not the same type of socialism that Marx had predicted. Public ownership is no longer the same as ownership of the workers.


Nationalisation is left wing. I agree corporatism is not left wing but it isn't properly economic right wing either. It is a corruption of geninue small state free market "right wing" economics.

Nationalism was even bloody invented by the left! They made the damn ideology up along with patriotism! And now they attack anybody who claims to be either.

No it is right wing. But the Nazis were not corporatists.

Histories a lot more fun when you just make it up, isn't it?

Nationalism was even bloody invented by the left! They made the damn ideology up along with patriotism! And now they attack anybody who claims to be either.

Oh well nationalisation of industry is not the same as nationalism.
Well nationalism and patriotism are probably more socially right wing things and is related to imperialism and colonialism.
It was about promoting a national cultural identity often with religion

This is where the traditionally left got it right. I think you are confusing the modern left with the traditional left.

The modern left don't realise they are promoting their own form of national identity but a multicultural form of it. The real answer is to promote a genuine human identity rather than a "us versus them".

You can see this how Russia is treated as evil for its resilience to cling on to traditional values while we weaponise diversity and shout racist or homophobe at anyone with even a differing opinion.

What modern economic system isn't backed by state coercion?

The socialism that Marx predicted never happened and state ownership alone is not socialism. Socialism is social ownership, society decides what to produce and produces it for society. Nazism clearly wasn't that.

Sorry I misread. I thought you meant nationalism, not nationalisation.

The traditional left invented both patriotism and nationalism. And I agree, what you say is correct. It is strange how history repeat itself, despite people telling themselves "we must not do this or that again".

Well seeing as I got a first when I did my long essay on it, no.

Here is a quick wiki link. I cba getting into the complexities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Nationalism was invented by the left during the 19th century revolutions. Ask any early modern European history academic.

Nationalism was not 'invented', it developed over a long period of time and it began way before the 19th centuries, modern nationalism began with empire building. Empire building is not left wing.

Invented, developed, whatever definition you wish to use. It came into prominence during the 19th century, and late 18th century. For example, would you say the French revolution was nationalist or not? For it was a revolution primarily focused on liberating the working class from the decadent monarchy and uniting them as one French people. (A quick look at my avatar and you might understand what I mean)

I am not talking about modern nationalism. I am talking about how nationalism came about. It was not developed/ invented by the capitalists, what sense would that make? None.

I am not talking about empire building either.

Questions:

- Are there any other sites which are able to confirm this (I can't find any)? Should we trust a blog?

- Was this attack targetted at UKIP directly or was someone trying to break in?

- How do you know the attacker was a member of ''the left''?

If this attack was genuine then of course it should be condemned. Only morons would endorse such an action.

New evidence published on the guardian, BBC and dailymail shows they are supporters of the Labour Party who disagree with UKIPs policies.

The fact is they are liberal fascists who will attack anyone who is against their ideology. Seriously labour know nothing of democracy. They won't publicly debate UKIP, will not support a referendum, repeatedly attack members of other parties, start discriminative campaigns on people by promoting violence and attacks.

Nationalism was even bloody invented by the left! They made the damn ideology up along with patriotism! And now they attack anybody who claims to be either.

Typical violent leftists

So when Farage has to kick out half of his council and MEP candidates, it's got nothing at all do with UKIP, but when a 'labour supporter' does something the entire party and leadership are all personally responsible?

UKIP sheep are hilarious

Less than 0.6% of UKIP members have been found guilty of allegations and kicked out as a result. Get your facts right you stupid far left loon. Typical labour says everyone in UKIP is racist, everyone in UKIP want to discriminate against women. Seriously I bet you can't name 20 people who are guilty of this. It's just a few twitter posters and members on the media who you have seen. But being a typical labour supported you blame every one of us. This is why I will never vote labour because as I support I am suddenly a racist homophobic nazi. You and your party are a complete joke.

Oh my Christ

I brought up Farage kicking out people UKIP tend to get very annoyed when you suggest that because some people say and do some things the entire party does, and that's exactly what you were doing with Labour and one 'labour supporter' who threw a brick.

If you want to play the percentage game, 0.6% is far higher than the 0.000005% you are using to generalise.