Original post by fallen_acornsStrong correlation (in the circles of people that I see/speak to/know) between those who say england is not a great country any more/england is weak on its own / never sound that patriotic, and those who are not white english or older then 30.
I get that it. Even if I lived in china for the next 40 years, I would never ever think of china in the same way my wife does.. those views are just very very hard to develop in anything that you dont consider truelly 100% your own.
Even in 2nd/3rd generation migrant families, there can still be an eliment of distance, probably caused by the native population themselves (racism/systematic discrimination etc), that cause a slight seperation in feelngs.. plus you have two cultures, its easy to compare them, see the flaws in one or the other etc, and so so many reasons, why some migrant families are less patriotic in the traditional sense then a native family who have ancestor after ancestor here.
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What I dislike though, is seeing it in young white/british people.. Just screams ungreatful. They have and will not have to go through half the **** that migrant families do.. are lucky enough to have been born into one of the most privillaged positions on the plannet, even if they are poor they are still in the top percentages of the words population.. they live in a relitivly prosperous, stable democracy, non-vilant, low crime, high employment, high wages (relitivly), high education, free healthcare, cultrually rich (and diverse) country.. and yet they still dont feel any strong positive feelings towards it, and would rather bitch and whine about how bad it is, and how lacking it is in places, and how weak and pathetic a country it is.
My racist great grandfather would have told the immigrants to **** off, for not having 100% patriotisim for this country. But I can understand that to a point, and have no problem with that.. For me its the native english people who have no care for this country.. they are the ones who can **** off.
Which brings me back to zerfs point last page, I agree.. Would be nice if we lived in a society where the locals who deserve to, could be got rid of, just as easily as a UKIP supporter would get rid of a migrant family.