Who will you vote for in the June 2017 General Election?

I'm not really sure why people are being criticised for being middle class and liberal.

I'm not really sure why people are being criticised for being middle class and liberal.

Totally agree - pretty sad my University here in Aberdeen are still flying the EU flag... I believe the CON's will do very well across the country, even in SNP locked down Scotland!

It would be absolutely astounding if that happened. I think the swing from UKIP to CON will play a major role in this election. Take Bridgend in the south of Wales as an example of what I mean by this (please see link to result below).

GE 2015 result in Bridgend, illustrating the UKIP surge, Lib Dem flop and Labour hold. What is interesting here is if the UKIP voters went to the CON's, they would easily topple labour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgend_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

Wales is definitely somewhere to look out for to see what damage the tories can do to labour areas. We'll soon find out how loyal the traditional Labour areas remain.

Because they don't debate properly by enlarge anymore.

It's all rhetoric and airy fairy stuff rather than fact and policy in the real world.

The left is losing as they aren't arguing anymore they put up placards and stupid petitions online


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I'm not criticising them for being that (well, maybe I am for being 'liberal'. I'm merely pointing out they're not the huge majority they seem to think they are. Might just be the ones I know, but they were gobsmacked when Labour didn't win the 2015 General Election, when Remain didn't win the referendum in a landslide, and the political consensus of my Facebook feed of the last year has been of how unpopular the Tories are and the country is ready for change, even as the Tories continuously have double-digit poll leads.

I think most people across the political spectrum were shocked by recent election results. Can't really blame them when the polls got it so wrong.

Middle class lefties get a raw deal because there's a certain arrogance in their thinking and the modern social justice movement which seeks to tell poor people, black people and women how to think/that they should be offended even if they are not. They are also easy to dislike because they whine like a little b**** when they don't get their own way (2015 was unfair so lets have proportional representation, Brexit was unfair because people did not know what they were voting for - i.e. my opinion is right and yours is wrong). They are akin to the liberal intelligensia of the 19th century. The Snats are the worst with their 'socially concious Scotland', they can be outright condescending.

It probably does not help that plenty go on to become Tory voters in later life which makes them look hypocritical and cements the view on the right that they are naive, young people.



People may have perceived pollsters to be wrong but actually telephone pollsters allowed me to profit. People don't know how to read polls (i myself am sticking with ICM, Ipsos and Comres this election).

To be fair, they've been calling for PR long before the 2015 Election and I don't really think it's fair to criticise people for wanting a more proportional voting system.

I wouldn't really describe the SNP as genuinely left wing either. They just take whatever position they think will be maor popular to get independence.

If by some miracle Corbyn was ever PM, I have little doubt that the SNP would take a sharp turn to the right.

MP's may have been but members/voters have not. As was pointed out, there were no protests when Labour won 35% of the vote.

True.

There was! Quite a lot of the left and young vote went to Lib Dems from New Labour.

Lib Dems were big on PR before 2010.

I've always believed that we should have PR, even before the 2015 Election. Even when it would help parties that I dislike like UKIP.

I'm middle class and don't get how that makes me sneering!

They went Lib Dems because of Iraq and tuition fees.

You specifically are not, many of your kin are.

I think most people across the political spectrum were shocked by recent election results. Can't really blame them when the polls got it so wrong.

I'm not criticising them for being that (well, maybe I am for being 'liberal'. I'm merely pointing out they're not the huge majority they seem to think they are. Might just be the ones I know, but they were gobsmacked when Labour didn't win the 2015 General Election, when Remain didn't win the referendum in a landslide, and the political consensus of my Facebook feed of the last year has been of how unpopular the Tories are and the country is ready for change, even as the Tories continuously have double-digit poll leads.

The 2015 election looked like it would be near impossible for the cons to get a majority. Everyone was shocked at the result. Social and economic liberalism have been the dominant two ideologies in power since Tony Blair won in 97. I also don't buy this idea that only middle class people hold liberal views. I went to a state school and have worked with full on working class people in working class jobs and in my experience it is more of an age thing. People of our generation, even working class people, are generally fine with people being gay or gay people getting married. I also do not understand why holding these values is something that is to be sneered at or means you are contemptuous of working class people. The way people talk of working class people as if they are all racist homophobes I find really insulting which is what people are doing when they imply those with liberal values are automatically out of touch with the working classes.

I also bet right wing commentators would find a way to complain about left wing middle class people and their hypocrisy even if they started to adopt blue labour positions.

I'm also sick of being called the ing elite by wealthy right wing pundits when I live at home and have never earned more than £6000 in one year.

Yes, I can remember 2015. It was predicted to be a hung Parliament with the Tories winning the most seats. Which is a long way from a Labour majority, which is what the students I know seemed to think would happen.

There's nothing wrong with progressive views and I applaud those. My issue is with the current niche student 'liberal' movement, which is anything but liberal.

Yes, I can remember 2015. It was predicted to be a hung Parliament with the Tories winning the most seats. Which is a long way from a Labour majority, which is what the students I know seemed to think would happen.

There's nothing wrong with progressive views and I applaud those. My issue is with the current niche student 'liberal' movement, which is anything but liberal.

Middle class lefties get a raw deal because there's a certain arrogance in their thinking and the modern social justice movement which seeks to tell poor people, black people and women how to think/that they should be offended even if they are not.

People may have perceived pollsters to be wrong but actually telephone pollsters allowed me to profit. People don't know how to read polls (i myself am sticking with ICM, Ipsos and Comres this election).

Exactly.


What do you mean by "profit"?