Number of Muslims who have killed people? I promise it's much less thank you think
Christians have killed millions, as have Jews, Hindus and even Buddhists. But over and over again we're told it is Muslims that are distinct as being the worst, the most brutal and dangerous. This couldn't be further from the truth. "Why?" you may ask. Well, because it is by definition not possible for a Muslim to kill people. "Islam" literally means peace, and Qu'ran asserts very strongly that one should never, ever kill another human being. Thus, if a Muslim does kill someone then he is no longer a Muslim, as to be a Muslim you must follow the Qu'ran. If you don't follow the Qu'ran, well then you are not a Muslim. Simples.
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nope not really, if you kill someone as defence you are still a muslim im sure. terrorists defo aren't muslim tho
Original post by Maklcsuif
Christians have killed millions, as have Jews, Hindus and even Buddhists. But over and over again we're told it is Muslims that are distinct as being the worst, the most brutal and dangerous. This couldn't be further from the truth. "Why?" you may ask. Well, because it is by definition not possible for a Muslim to kill people. "Islam" literally means peace, and Qu'ran asserts very strongly that one should never, ever kill another human being. Thus, if a Muslim does kill someone then he is no longer a Muslim, as to be a Muslim you must follow the Qu'ran. If you don't follow the Qu'ran, well then you are not a Muslim. Simples.
But then you contradict yourself as the other religions could be said to be religions of peace and condemn killing others.
I don't think that Jews have killed millions of people.
Original post by pizza4ever
But then you contradict yourself as the other religions could be said to be religions of peace and condemn killing others.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32929855
Original post by Maklcsuif
Christians have killed millions, as have Jews, Hindus and even Buddhists. But over and over again we're told it is Muslims that are distinct as being the worst, the most brutal and dangerous. This couldn't be further from the truth. "Why?" you may ask. Well, because it is by definition not possible for a Muslim to kill people. "Islam" literally means peace, and Qu'ran asserts very strongly that one should never, ever kill another human being. Thus, if a Muslim does kill someone then he is no longer a Muslim, as to be a Muslim you must follow the Qu'ran. If you don't follow the Qu'ran, well then you are not a Muslim. Simples.
We should condemn all killing no matter who it's done by.
Original post by feministy
nope not really, if you kill someone as defence you are still a muslim im sure. terrorists defo aren't muslim tho
I suppose this is true. When they defended themselves against the Christian crusades which were mercilessly slaughtering them that was certainly fair enough. But yeh, terrorists absolutely aren't Muslim.
Hmmm...
The Qur'an allows:
Killing a man's male or female slave if they have killed yours
Killing of disbelievers wherever you find them (unless of course they convert to the Religion of Peace on the spot, then they may live)
Killing people until only Muslims are left on Earth
Killing all the wrong-doers, persecutors and aggressors, once all the disbelievers are dead
That those who make war with Allah and his messenger are to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or to be expelled out of the land
Not only is it physically possible for a Muslim to kill people (persons of any religion or lack thereof have this ability), but they are also commanded by their holy scripture to do so wherever they go, for it is their duty to slay and be slain
The Qur'an allows:
Killing a man's male or female slave if they have killed yours
Killing of disbelievers wherever you find them (unless of course they convert to the Religion of Peace on the spot, then they may live)
Killing people until only Muslims are left on Earth
Killing all the wrong-doers, persecutors and aggressors, once all the disbelievers are dead
That those who make war with Allah and his messenger are to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or to be expelled out of the land
Not only is it physically possible for a Muslim to kill people (persons of any religion or lack thereof have this ability), but they are also commanded by their holy scripture to do so wherever they go, for it is their duty to slay and be slain
Original post by nymphielymphie
Hmmm...
The Qur'an allows:
Killing a man's male or female slave if they have killed yours
Killing of disbelievers wherever you find them (unless of course they convert to the Religion of Peace on the spot, then they may live)
Killing people until only Muslims are left on Earth
Killing all the wrong-doers, persecutors and aggressors, once all the disbelievers are dead
That those who make war with Allah and his messenger are to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or to be expelled out of the land
Not only is it physically possible for a Muslim to kill people (persons of any religion or lack thereof have this ability), but they are also commanded by their holy scripture to do so wherever they go, for it is their duty to slay and be slain
The Qur'an allows:
Killing a man's male or female slave if they have killed yours
Killing of disbelievers wherever you find them (unless of course they convert to the Religion of Peace on the spot, then they may live)
Killing people until only Muslims are left on Earth
Killing all the wrong-doers, persecutors and aggressors, once all the disbelievers are dead
That those who make war with Allah and his messenger are to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or to be expelled out of the land
Not only is it physically possible for a Muslim to kill people (persons of any religion or lack thereof have this ability), but they are also commanded by their holy scripture to do so wherever they go, for it is their duty to slay and be slain
Lol, where did you get this info? The Daily Mail? It's pretty sad that you think you know more about the religion than actual Muslims.
Original post by Maklcsuif
Lol, where did you get this info? The Daily Mail? It's pretty sad that you think you know more about the religion than actual Muslims.
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
4:91 Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
There you go
straight out of the Qur'an. Nothing fabricated.Original post by ALYAMAANI
We should condemn all killing no matter who it's done by.
Agreed.
Original post by nymphielymphie
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
4:91 Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
There you go straight out of the Qur'an. Nothing fabricated.
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
4:91 Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
There you go
straight out of the Qur'an. Nothing fabricated.here is what people dont understand. every religious book has something in it that people dont fully believe or agree with. especially in this day and age. also youve taken sections out of suras and interpreted them on their own. you have no taken into account the content of the whole surat and what its actually about. If you take into account the whole surat youd understan why its written. so dont jump to conclusions
Original post by nymphielymphie
Hmmm...
The Qur'an allows:
Killing of disbelievers wherever you find them (unless of course they convert to the Religion of Peace on the spot, then they may live)
The Qur'an allows:
Killing of disbelievers wherever you find them (unless of course they convert to the Religion of Peace on the spot, then they may live)
Good afternoon ma'am.
I am assuming you are referring to chapter 9 verse number 5 where, power phrasing, it says kill non believers/polytheists wherever you find them.
https://quran.com/9
Did you read the verse before and after the above said verse?
And did you look up the story in which this verse was revealed at the time?
And now imagine, ones mother getting brutally tortured and killed in front of her own son whose body is tightened and restricted in a way that he witnesses her death to the full extent and all of this for what?
Because this family started following the beliefs of Islam and the people of mainstream religion did not like this.
I will also be strong in assuming that you have never heard of this before.
People who started following Prophet Muhammed PBUH were faced with many brutalities. In spite of this, they migrated to flee from this oppression but it didn't stop the hostile forces.
In short, you only fight those who fight you. Form treaty with those of different beliefs so people may reside with each other with unity. And that was the case at the time, under this treaty, many non muslims were living with muslims. You can think of this treaty as the one proposed by the government of UK but in the form of Rules, Laws and legislation.
I am a Muslim living in Birmingham, United Kingdom and am proud to follow this religion and be residing in this country. Any one person can choose to follow whichever religion they want, wear what they want, eat what they like or believe in anything they want without being harassed. And this didn't exist when Prophet PBUH came to this world at the time.
I am not a scholar and what I have said above is just touching the surface of the ocean. Do please do your own research.
Have a good day ma'am.
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Fyi muslims are not terrorists. The terrorists arent muslim!!!!
Original post by nymphielymphie
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
4:91 Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
There you go straight out of the Qur'an. Nothing fabricated.
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
4:91 Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
There you go
straight out of the Qur'an. Nothing fabricated.[video="youtube;jErLx1L1CWs"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jErLx1L1CWs[/video]
I think we are misunderstanding what I am trying to say here.
Most Muslims are peaceful and kind and great members of society - correct?
Most religious people, whether Muslim or otherwise, do not follow their holy scripture literally or to the dot - correct?
The word 'Islam' means peace - yes.
BUT
The Qur'an permits the killing of disbelievers. The Qur'an calls on believers to go and fight in the name of Allah, to slay and be slain. The Qur'an, basically, among all the other things it says, claims that peace will only be achieved when there are only Muslims left on this Earth, and only good natured Muslims (because we slay the wrong-doers too).
Therefore, yes, Islam means peace, because Islam teaches through the Qur'an to eradicate all sources of conflict
I'm not religious myself, but I know that the other holy scriptures have similar 'concepts' within them. And that most religious people take those verses etc. a bit more metaphorically.
But what that does not change is the fact that the Qur'an tells the Muslims to kill the disbelievers. So the OP is wrong. Just because most Muslims don't follow the 'advice', doesn't mean it's not there.
Most Muslims are peaceful and kind and great members of society - correct?
Most religious people, whether Muslim or otherwise, do not follow their holy scripture literally or to the dot - correct?
The word 'Islam' means peace - yes.
BUT
The Qur'an permits the killing of disbelievers. The Qur'an calls on believers to go and fight in the name of Allah, to slay and be slain. The Qur'an, basically, among all the other things it says, claims that peace will only be achieved when there are only Muslims left on this Earth, and only good natured Muslims (because we slay the wrong-doers too).
Therefore, yes, Islam means peace, because Islam teaches through the Qur'an to eradicate all sources of conflict
I'm not religious myself, but I know that the other holy scriptures have similar 'concepts' within them. And that most religious people take those verses etc. a bit more metaphorically.
But what that does not change is the fact that the Qur'an tells the Muslims to kill the disbelievers. So the OP is wrong. Just because most Muslims don't follow the 'advice', doesn't mean it's not there.
The number of deaths caused by Muslims is absolutely minuscule compared to those by non Muslims. However wars are not always black and white and any unjust war should be condemned.
Original post by Maklcsuif
Christians have killed millions, as have Jews, Hindus and even Buddhists. But over and over again we're told it is Muslims that are distinct as being the worst, the most brutal and dangerous. This couldn't be further from the truth. "Why?" you may ask. Well, because it is by definition not possible for a Muslim to kill people. "Islam" literally means peace, and Qu'ran asserts very strongly that one should never, ever kill another human being. Thus, if a Muslim does kill someone then he is no longer a Muslim, as to be a Muslim you must follow the Qu'ran. If you don't follow the Qu'ran, well then you are not a Muslim. Simples.
No it doesn't. The term "Islam" is a direct derivitive of the Arabic word "al-silm", which means submission or surrender.
Original post by Wōden
No it doesn't. The term "Islam" is a direct derivitive of the Arabic word "al-silm", which means submission or surrender.
Source? (Preferably not The Daily Mail, Breitbart, or Stormfront).
Original post by AishaGirl
The number of deaths caused by Muslims is absolutely minuscule compared to those by non Muslims. However wars are not always black and white and any unjust war should be condemned.
No wars have been caused by Muslims, because if a Muslim causes a war he is no longer a Muslim. They have only fought back in self-defence, just as Muhammad did.
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