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Why does NEWS only start to give points to a systolic over 219??

On NEWS1 and NEWS2 it says if someone has a systolic of 111 - 219 they score 0?? The British heart foundation says anything over 140 systolic is dangerous? So why would a systolic of 210 not score on NEWS.....? So confused by this, any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Original post by mh120782
On NEWS1 and NEWS2 it says if someone has a systolic of 111 - 219 they score 0?? The British heart foundation says anything over 140 systolic is dangerous? So why would a systolic of 210 not score on NEWS.....? So confused by this, any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks


The BHF are looking at SBP as a contributing factor to cardiovascular disease over a long period of time, whilst NEWS scoring is looking at acute illness where hypotension is a sign of decompensation and progression into shock requiring immediate action.
Original post by mh120782
On NEWS1 and NEWS2 it says if someone has a systolic of 111 - 219 they score 0?? The British heart foundation says anything over 140 systolic is dangerous? So why would a systolic of 210 not score on NEWS.....? So confused by this, any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks


Generally if your patient has high blood pressure at a point where it would be dangerous, you'll know about it long before you do a NEWS score as they are going to be pretty poorly. Low blood pressure is harder to identify especially in patients who are bedbound or have lower mobility (as they aren't going to feel particularly lightheaded).

NEWS can be too heavily relied on, and is often completed by junior staff who aren't able to also use clinical judgement to determine whether their observations are significant or not. Often it is looked at as a standalone measure and not in the context of the patient or their medical history.
As above, presumably because a pretty high systolic BP isn't really a sign of an acutely deteriorating patient.
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Thank you :smile:
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Thank You! :smile:
Original post by Chief Wiggum
As above, presumably because a pretty high systolic BP isn't really a sign of an acutely deteriorating patient.


unless it;s so high they are about to stroke out which is where the SBP over 200/ 210/ 219 comes into it ...
Original post by mh120782
The British heart foundation says anything over 140 systolic is dangerous?


NEWS is a tool for detecting, quantifying and escalating changes in the acute status of a patient. A systolic blood pressure over 140mmHg is not acutely dangerous; the BHF is talking about the long-term risks in terms of increased cardiovascular and stroke risk of sustained hypertension over many years. It's not relevant to a scoring system designed to detect changes across minutes, hours or days in the context of acute illness.

Hypertension only becomes acutely of concern when the blood pressure is so high (generally >190mmHg minimum) as to be imminently risky for haemorrhage and stroke, or in the presence of e.g. heart failure or acute MI. It's also a natural and protective stress response to try and increase your cardiac output (and, therefore, your blood pressure) in the presence of the vast majority of acute illnesses, so most hypertension is to be anticipated and recognised as a positive or normal marker in patients being assessed using an early warning score.



Original post by Charlotte's Web
NEWS can be too heavily relied on, and is often completed by junior staff who aren't able to also use clinical judgement to determine whether their observations are significant or not. Often it is looked at as a standalone measure and not in the context of the patient or their medical history.


Amen! I refuse to set EWS trigger scores for this very reason; chances are the COPD patient with a baseline NEWS of 5 will probably die of respiratory failure still with an EWS of 5, and inexperienced or overly protocol-educated staff (a common product in both nurses and doctors at the moment, it seems) could and do fail to escalate based on a patient not 'meeting criteria'.


A bit like silly sepsis proformata... OP - NEWS is a tool to help you; you're not there to look after the NEWS....
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Because we should treat people not numbers. If you have a patient who's systolic BP is over 200 you'd never ignore that. Unless of course it's chronic and doctors are aware prior. Or if you have a patient who's BP is bang on but symptomatic....you still need to investigate that. Although alot of doctors I find heavily rely on numbers!
Original post by wbnurse
Because we should treat people not numbers. If you have a patient who's systolic BP is over 200 you'd never ignore that. Unless of course it's chronic and doctors are aware prior. Or if you have a patient who's BP is bang on but symptomatic....you still need to investigate that. Although alot of doctors I find heavily rely on numbers!


Unfortunately, the case is that staff were not treating people, recognising deterioration and reacting to it, which is why track and trigger scores were rolled out in the first instance. The problems with these scoring systems have already been mentioned in Friar Chris' post, I've also found people will sometimes manipulate their obs so that they don't get a score that triggers a response.
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Original post by moonkatt
Unfortunately, the case is that staff were not treating people, recognising deterioration and reacting to it, which is why track and trigger scores were rolled out in the first instance. The problems with these scoring systems have already been mentioned in Friar Chris' post, I've also found people will sometimes manipulate their obs so that they don't get a score that triggers a response.


Completely agree. Although I'm more referring to the fact there is no scoring at 200 systolic....because by rights we shouldn't be treating based on this alone. I do agree people don't nurse patients on anything other than obs they see on a machine and it's not good nursing

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