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Not at all, people judge based on her words and actions.

It’s so easy to attach labels like sexist or racist etc but most people aren’t like that and it shouldn’t be the go to assumption when criticism comes the way of a person.
I haven't accused him of being sexist or racist.

Merely pointing out the ludicrous smears and attacks made by people on his side of the aisle at AOC, despite claiming they are not worried about her at all. She's obviously intelligent and talented, even if you disagree with her, and that's why certain people are so worried about her. It's as if the thought of a left leaning intelligent, attractive female bruises their ego.

Heck, you even had Republicans trying to smear her by pointing out she innocuously danced in a music video while at university.
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I am glad that something like Turning Point exists. The right-wing has historically tied with Labour (gained at least one-third of the youth) vote up until the Tory-Liberal collation and the introduction of tuition fees, which when combined with the EU referendum, caused Labour to overtake the Tories. It's entirely possible for the right-wing to be stronger than the left-wing among youth. Furthermore, the Non-Muslim South Asian community are right-wing in the UK, and so are many young people from middle class backgrounds - I'm private schooled and I can attest to this.

The establishment recently has been clamping down of much of the right-wing's debate as being Islamophobic or 'racist', and I feel that an organisation similar to this needs to fight for our rights. It's unfair that we get a situation where the Muslim community gets affirmative action.
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I haven't accused him of being sexist or racist.

Merely pointing out the ludicrous smears and attacks made by people on his side of the aisle at AOC, despite claiming they are not worried about her at all. She's obviously intelligent and talented, even if you disagree with her, and that's why certain people are so worried about her. It's as if the thought of a left leaning intelligent, attractive female bruises their ego.

Heck, you even had Republicans trying to smear her by pointing out she innocuously danced in a music video while at university.
You may view her as intelligent which is the core of your reply to me.

Have you ever thought the people who dislike her don’t think she is intelligent because of her politics combined with how passionately she talks about them?
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That’s not the same as a debate that’s a popularity contest with a party attached to a name and a demographic equation.
A popularity contest based on whose political arguments the voters find more convincing.

Of course, what Shapiro wants is not really a "debate" either. What he wants is a kind of theatrical shouting match in which the goal is not so much to convince anyone or to work towards a better understanding of the issue, but rather to amuse your own supporters and try to make your opponent look bad,

Such theatrical debates are dreadful for any kind of nuance, and for neutrals who want to learn more about the issues and different sides' positions on them.
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You may view her as intelligent which is the core of your reply to me.

Have you ever thought the people who dislike her don’t think she is intelligent because of her politics combined with how passionately she talks about them?
There are plenty of people I fundamentally disagree with, but recognise they are intelligent and talented.

Anyone claiming she's an idiot, really is being disingenuous. She obviously, isn't.

And its rather telling that conservatives are claiming she's a 'gift', or that they're not worried at all, given the massive smear operation in play. Including criticising her for dancing. Would a male politician ever be criticised for playing football, for example?

It's because people know she is intelligent and a good speaker, and that worries people who disagree with her. And that's fine, but it's simply dishonest to pretend she's an idiot.
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It's not that bad a game show.
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There are plenty of people I fundamentally disagree with, but recognise they are intelligent and talented.

Anyone claiming she's an idiot, really is being disingenuous. She obviously, isn't.

And its rather telling that conservatives are claiming she's a 'gift', or that they're not worried at all, given the massive smear operation in play. Including criticising her for dancing. Would a male politician ever be criticised for playing football, for example?

It's because people know she is intelligent and a good speaker, and that worries people who disagree with her. And that's fine, but it's simply dishonest to pretend she's an idiot.
Ok I obviously judge people based on their thoughts and the main one of those judgements is someones intelligence.

As I think she is fundamentally wrong on so many things I find it hard to agree she is intelligent, after all how could I think she is intelligent when I think she is wrong about so many things.

That is all I have to say, you lot can carry on bickering now.
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Ok I obviously judge people based on their thoughts and the main one of those judgements is someones intelligence.

As I think she is fundamentally wrong on so many things I find it hard to agree she is intelligent, after all how could I think she is intelligent when I think she is wrong about so many things.

That is all I have to say, you lot can carry on bickering now.
Because political issues almost never have one correct answer and perfectly intelligent and capable individuals can and do take very different opinions on political issues.

I disagree with Rees Mogg on almost everything, he's obviously still an intelligent individual.

Not a difficult concept.
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https://www.westmonster.com/turning-...heads-explode/

Hilarious to see the attack pieces in the left wing media. Anyone would think they were worried...
Why are right-wing snowflakes always sooo triggered by anything anyone on the left says.
"Oh, boo hoo, the nasty socialist pointed out the flaws and stupidity in my position. Mummy, make him stop!"
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Why would you think that? "Debating" laughable people is at best a waste of your time, and at worst giving them publicity they don't deserve.
Pigeon chess.
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Could someone point me to any examples of Ben Shapiro demonstrating his much-vaunted intellectual and debating skills? I have just watched a few YouTube vids and didn't see anything particularly remarkable or impressive.

However, what I did notice was that all the video titles included phrases like "Ben Shapiro destroys liberal...", "Shapiro dismantles left wing...", yet on watching the videos, no such actions took place. He merely made assertions and general or non-contentious points. On one video where he "destroys race baiting congresswoman", he actually conceded her points and generally agreed with her.
Perhaps it's just a matter of alt-rightists' poor vocabulary?
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Why are right-wing snowflakes always sooo triggered by anything anyone on the left says.
"Oh, boo hoo, the nasty socialist pointed out the flaws and stupidity in my position. Mummy, make him stop!"
You are excellent in debates on Islam, Champions League stuff. It is like watching Barcelona or Real Madrid.

But, sadly, the powers desert you when debating other political matters. You turn into Luton Town in the Vauxhall Conference.

Hero to zero.
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You are excellent in debates on Islam, Champions League stuff. It is like watching Barcelona or Real Madrid.

But, sadly, the powers desert you when debating other political matters. You turn into Luton Town in the Vauxhall Conference.

Hero to zero.
Perhaps you just don't like seeing your local Conference side being beaten by Barcelona?
(BTW, I'm sure you realised that that was not a serious post, just casting bait. Any response to my post on Shapiro, or are you not a fan? )
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Perhaps you just don't like seeing your local Conference side being beaten by Barcelona?
(BTW, I'm sure you realised that that was not a serious post, just casting bait. Any response to my post on Shapiro, or are you not a fan? )
I’m not a fan of Shapiro. He gives me the creeps actually. And I can never understand the American right’s obsession with guns, abortion and gay marriage. I agree with their criticism of identity politics, and the economic excesses of the Democrats, tax wise. But I don’t have any fellow feeling with what they are actually FOR culturally.
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I’m not a fan of Shapiro. He gives me the creeps actually. And I can never understand the American right’s obsession with guns, abortion and gay marriage. I agree with their criticism of identity politics, and the economic excesses of the Democrats, tax wise. But I don’t have any fellow feeling with what they are actually FOR culturally.
Maybe you'd find Dinesh D'sousa a good example of someone who is great at explaining the underlying concept of America from the founding fathers. He has a good movie out too.
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Yes, you guys love her, which is why you spend so much time trying to attack her...

Genuinely, the idea of an intelligent, attractive woman bruises your ego.
She's hardly attractive with her dead bug eyes and creepy smile. She also isn't intelligent, none of what she says is based in logic or fact, and she is a socialist who wants to take away people's rights to further her own agenda. No thanks.
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She's hardly attractive with her dead bug eyes and creepy smile. She also isn't intelligent, none of what she says is based in logic or fact, and she is a socialist who wants to take away people's rights to further her own agenda. No thanks.
Again, if you're rally not worried about her and think she's a 'gift', the thing you'd do is launch a massive, ludicrously paranoid smear campaign against her. 1

Crazy policies like wanting people to have healthcare and tackling climate change, I know.
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Again, if you're rally not worried about her and think she's a 'gift', the thing you'd do is launch a massive, ludicrously paranoid smear campaign against her. 1

Crazy policies like wanting people to have healthcare and tackling climate change, I know.
Pointing out that someone says stupid stuff and mocking them for it is not a smear campaign.

I think the crazy policies people are referring to are the 70% marginal tax rate; replacing all combustion engines within 10 years and; promising economic security to those are ‘unwilling’ to work
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Again, if you're rally not worried about her and think she's a 'gift', the thing you'd do is launch a massive, ludicrously paranoid smear campaign against her. 1

Crazy policies like wanting people to have healthcare and tackling climate change, I know.
I don't think she is stupid - to get elected to Congress at what? age 29 or something, shows ambition and smarts.

The media attention is absurd, obviously, but that's America for you. She is too young to run for President this time, of course, but is definitely someone to keep an eye on long term.

What is interesting is how far to the left the Democrats are going and how fast. Last time Bernie was the darling of the base, but dismissed by the establishment as too crazily left. Now he is just an old white man, and everyone is stealing his ideas. Going further in fact, the wokier the better. Wokier than woke.

The US is a right of centre country so I don't think it will go well for them myself next time round. But we'll see.
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I don't think she is stupid - to get elected to Congress at what? age 29 or something, shows ambition and smarts.

The media attention is absurd, obviously, but that's America for you. She is too young to run for President this time, of course, but is definitely someone to keep an eye on long term.

What is interesting is how far to the left the Democrats are going and how fast. Last time Bernie was the darling of the base, but dismissed by the establishment as too crazily left. Now he is just an old white man, and everyone is stealing his ideas. Going further in fact, the wokier the better. Wokier than woke.

The US is a right of centre country so I don't think it will go well for them myself next time round. But we'll see.
She obviously has plenty of Republicans worried, if they weren't they wouldn't bother with giving her so much attention. I don't agree with everything she says, but I don't get the hate either. She's obviously a talented, articulate individual and her performance in the committee recently that went viral, over lobbying, was really quite telling. There are plenty of people on the right that I disagree with on most things, but I don't question their intelligence. Jacob Rees Mogg would be a good example of just that.

Re Bernie, I don't know what will happen. I don't think people think as clearly in terms of right and left as we, and the media often suspect they do. I think people in general will respond to someone who can tell a story, speak about issues that effect them and talk in a compelling way. I think a fair few Trump voters (not the hardcore fans, but perhaps people who just hated Clinton) could potentially be peeled away by a bit of left populism focusing on healthcare, eduction and investment etc.

Trump v Bernie would be a very interesting match up in which neither main party would have much control over their candidate. Trump, being the President and against a non establishment outsider, perhaps wouldn't be able to run on such an anti establishment platform again.
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