Abortion and same-sex marriage ban to be removed in Northern Ireland

Of course, but the child doesn't have the right to use the woman's body without her permission.

the child should not be murdered.

Here we have two people at opposite ends of the spectrum each as inhuman as the other. One argues for abortion as a matter of property rights over the mother's womb who would kill a healthy baby from a healthy mother as a matter of lifestyle choice, and the other would force heartbreak, pain and risk on a mother who is carrying an extremely unhealthy baby who will be born fatally malformed.

A plague on both your houses!

Its not killing anything. By your great logic everytime a guy has a **** he's killed millions of children which is stupid.

A sperm is not a child though. It forms part of the ability to form a child at conception. Life begins at conception where the sperm joins the ovum and becomes a human at the earliest stage of its development.

Neither is an embryo that's the point.

For other things, I think consent matters. However, for unborn children, consent does not matter because the child should not be murdered.

I have spoken to about 104 women with 98% saying so. Now, I admit I don't know whether they were lying to me, but I am taking their response at face value.

Here we have two people at opposite ends of the spectrum each as inhuman as the other. One argues for abortion as a matter of property rights over the mother's womb who would kill a healthy baby from a healthy mother as a matter of lifestyle choice, and the other would force heartbreak, pain and risk on a mother who is carrying an extremely unhealthy baby who will be born fatally malformed.

A plague on both your houses!

A plague on both your houses!

Suppose someone surgically attached someone to your body without your consent. Do you think you should have the right to detached them from your body?

Okay, so the sample is small and the people involved aren't necessarily representative of the population as a whole.

A plague on both your houses!

Do you bite your thumb at us sir?

I do bite my thumb, you starvelling, you elf-skin, you dried neat’s-tongue, bull’s-pizzle, you stock-fish!

I was not giving you sympathy but reaching out to discuss with you, if you need to do so.

To your point, I don't think the baby’s choice should or must be discounted. To imagine that my parents could have aborted me, when I wanted to be born is appalling.

To your previous post, what happens if the mother wants to kill the baby, but the father does not want that to happen. What happens them?

Do you want to actually explain your objections or.. ?

Abortion for lifestyle reasons is abhorrent.... Both are inhumane.

That is different to a woman conceiving and her baby growing in her womb. Your example is an artificial attachment while abortion wants the murder of a child conceived naturally.

I doubt that the other study was representative of the whole population and we wont understand the possible biases.

Why?

If I were raped and conceived a child as a result of that rape, why would it be abhorrent for me to abort the child? I never wanted it and I didn't consent to it using my body.

Why is it acceptable to use someone's body without their consent if it's 'natural' but not if it's 'artificial'?

You doubt it because it doesn't agree with your own experiences. Your own experiences are, by your own admission, biased towards select groups of women. The study, as far as I can tell, isn't biased towards select groups (other than those who have had abortions).

Question: How did you want yourself to be born even though unborn babies are literal cells with still evolving organs?