Benefit cheats...

Had you not assumed things about me I may have been better mannered.
As you were rude and judgemental, I got rather angry.

Fair enough for NHS, policing etc. But why should it go to people who don't want to work, to pay for their houses and food etc?

I can only judge you on what you post.

You call it having an opinion. I see it as being very rude and very judgemental about people that you have no real knowledge of. There are hundreds of thousands of people who claim benefits and you cannot dismiss them as all as being a waste of space.

Rather than help people off benefits which was the focus of my inital post, which you took exception to, you would prefer to write them off as useless and deprive them of the money they need to exist. What exactly do you think would happen if we did follow your advice?

Millions of people becoming homeless. Children going into care rather than being left with loving parents. Beggars on the streets. The benefit system exists to prevent these things.

If you want people to contribute to society then you need to help them to overcome the disadvantages that they start life with or acquire during life. So you look after their health, you provide a good standard of education. You give them sufficient money to exist in a reasonable condition.

Then you train them to do the jobs that are available for them. That is helping people out of poverty, not throwing them into even worse situations in order to say well we've saved a few quid of taxpayer's money.

As a future doctor you need to have the compassion and understanding to be able to help, and not condemn those who may not fit your picture of the perfect citizen. We live in 2008 and turning the clock back to Victorian standards is not the way forward. I will gladly pay tax if it keeps even one shoeless, starving child from wandering the streets in threadbare clothing.

Would you rather they robbed your house and took all your stuff? That would probably cost a lot more. And would you want them to live on the streets and robbing people?

I'm all for helping people out of poverty. But only the ones who are willing to work. If they aren't willing, which there are many of these people around then I class them as a waste of space. You really need to take a long hard look at the people in society today. Not everyone on the dole are people in poverty, trying their hardest to get work and struggling to survive. There are people who are on there because they know they can have money for nothing.

I also have no problem with my money going to helping starving children. If I could believe me I'd take every last one of them in and take care of them myself. But that is impossible, both physically and financially. But these children come from the type of people who are a waste of space. If my money went to helping the children get a good future, and have a good life I'd never complain. But it doesn't. These children don't see that money, because of their parents. The only thing that helps these children are the care homes, and it's a very small fraction of tax that goes towards them.

MP's get £22,000 furniture expences every year for their second homes on top of their wages.
Oh our tax is so well spent.

Exactly. People are just too lazy to work. Then accuse us of being middle class and sheltered. We weren't born into it. It was worked for. I'm not a freaking heiress.

She never said she WANTED to expand her family, many don't.

In that case she should have kept her legs crossed.

Still but no offense to you but you are generalising, even though on one hand you are talking about the chavs you are generalising everyone on benefits.

But then so does so many people

I doubt most people on benefits are the chavs, but at most a lot are people who are fed up of working long hours for terrible pay and want some time to chill out, they have paid tax and are getting it back.

The whole thing about benefits is tax.

Somehow someone signing on as they cant get a job getting benefits is worse than someone like Paris Hilton who gets all her money for free and wastes it.

No real difference to me except her family can afford it so she isnt getting it in taxes.

Shes still lazier than many on benefits though.

id say there was more chavs on benefits than real claimaints and I say a bigger proportion but I still say theres more good claimants than people know.

And like I say someone before was going on about how they go to pub at lunch to get a meal and theres regulars in there moaning about being skint.

Therefore they must be on benefits and lazy

Not that they could genuninely be ill but spend most of their money on booze and live off next to no food and not buy new clothes.

My argument, is that we should all be equal, why should anyone work if they choose not to?
Everyone should contribute. If we all signed on, the country would be a worse state than what it already is. The situation is still bad enough to cause inflation and recesion though isn't it?
If our tax wasn't wasted on these people, and they worked and payed tax themselves money would be less wasted.

We'd have:
Better health care
Better education
Better facilities for foster homes
Better policing (which we're desperate for)
Better public transport
Lower car tax&petrol tax

A generally better economy, take France for instance, they don't put up with people who don't want to work. Look at their economy and facilities.
We have 3rd world heath care because we don't have enough money to make it better, because the money is going elsewhere.
We have one of the highest tax percentages to pay in the world, yet we get nothing back.
I wonder why!!!!

A lot of Scandinavian countries have a generous welfare state. They spend more GDP on their welfare state than the UK does but have very low levels of unemployment, the lowest levels of poverty in the world and I see no major problems with their facilities. They also have high levels of tax.

France's economy is not doing well in terms of unemployment, which they have high levels of. Higher than the UK I believe.

Comparing our health service to that of third-world countries is a hyperbole. Their services pale in comparison to ours. There's no argument when you're trying to compare developed countries and developing ones.

I believe NHS spending has gone up throughout the years, however demand will always be an issuse with the NHS. The opportunity cost of removing the welfare state and spending money on the NHS will only cause more problems.

Final point; Our economy is not doing so well right now, but most developed countries are going through the same phase.

Some use the pathetic excuse that there aren't enough jobs.

In my opinion there are always going to be jobs. You walk around an inner city area nowadays and they're absolute dumps. I say, round up the benefit THIEVES and force them to clean the streets.

Dossers.

I totally agree, my other proposal was instead of burning natural resorses to power the wheels to power the generators get them (and criminals) to push the wheels.
That way we're saving energy and contributing less to global warming, on top of inforcing punishment.
I might take my idea to Gordon, but then again he wont agree and it will be seen as discrimination or un PC.

Some use the pathetic excuse that there aren't enough jobs.

Most?
I think anyone with any self respect would want to work for what they get. Wanting to take time out - that's why we have holidays!

If someone can't get a job, fine as long as they're looking for one. Job seekers is called job seekers for a reason.

My argument, is that we should all be equal, why should anyone work if they choose not to?
Everyone should contribute. If we all signed on, the country would be a worse state than what it already is. The situation is still bad enough to cause inflation and recesion though isn't it?
If our tax wasn't wasted on these people, and they worked and payed tax themselves money would be less wasted.

We'd have:
Better health care
Better education
Better facilities for foster homes
Better policing (which we're desperate for)
Better public transport
Lower car tax&petrol tax

A generally better economy, take France for instance, they don't put up with people who don't want to work. Look at their economy and facilities.
We have 3rd world heath care because we don't have enough money to make it better, because the money is going elsewhere.
We have one of the highest tax percentages to pay in the world, yet we get nothing back.
I wonder why!!!!

What a load of rubbish. if you believe that's true explain the following to me:
My dad pretty much worked from the of 17-43, when he had an accident at work and then eventually got made rendunant. Afdter a few months, he found a temporary job and a month later, got made redundant again. It took him 5 months to get a job. Now, he wasn't fussy and was prepared to do any job as long as people were willing to take him on. 3 years later, he's still in that and struggling to find a better paid job.

Also, explain to me why I couldn't find a job. After 4 months of looking, I gave up due to ill health.

*wonders if it's occured to Sallyjade that there are people out there who genuinely can't work*

Natural selection.

If you put the effort in to find a job and push yourself you'll always find something. If you can't find one, you're either not qualified or not trying hard enough.

Natural selection.

If you put the effort in to find a job and push yourself you'll always find something. If you can't find one, you're either not qualified or not trying hard enough.

What a load of rubbish. if you believe that's true explain the following to me:
My dad pretty much worked from the of 17-43, when he had an accident at work and then eventually got made rendunant. Afdter a few months, he found a temporary job and a month later, got made redundant again. It took him 5 months to get a job. Now, he wasn't fussy and was prepared to do any job as long as people were willing to take him on. 3 years later, he's still in that and struggling to find a better paid job.

Also, explain to me why I couldn't find a job. After 4 months of looking, I gave up due to ill health.

*wonders if it's occured to Sallyjade that there are people out there who genuinely can't work*