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Reply 1360

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by bj27
Pep got sterling scoring 20 a season and he's Werner level in terms of finishing, what we need to improve on imo is creating clear chances. I think that's partially a coaching issue but also a player issue.

I wouldn't call any of Man City's attackers clinical but look at where they are right now. If I'm being honest, we miss hazard more than we miss a striker. A player who can create space for others because they're triple marked every game.

Our chance creation came from dynamic wingbacks who then got injured. We don't want a single source of failure for chance creation. That's where Pogba/Pogba like player comes in.

That's fair but I think the overload of creativity in City's midfield and wing more than makes up for their poor finishing. Werner isn't going to be supplied with 100 balls across the box unfortunately. We don't have a de bruyne or b silva. That's why they can afford to go without Aguero.

I can't see Pogba alone changing our game to that level compared to a competent striker but that's just my opinion. I can see what you're getting at though and I'm all for another Hazard or two to juice up our midfield and just kill the opposition with chances.

Also am I reading this right but Alonso to Barca? Are their scouts blind lmao. I'd take it and get that LWB we've needed to compete with Chillwell.

Reply 1361

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by GrandMedic
That's fair but I think the overload of creativity in City's midfield and wing more than makes up for their poor finishing. Werner isn't going to be supplied with 100 balls across the box unfortunately. We don't have a de bruyne or b silva. That's why they can afford to go without Aguero.

I can't see Pogba alone changing our game to that level compared to a competent striker but that's just my opinion. I can see what you're getting at though and I'm all for another Hazard or two to juice up our midfield and just kill the opposition with chances.

Also am I reading this right but Alonso to Barca? Are their scouts blind lmao. I'd take it and get that LWB we've needed to compete with Chillwell.

The entire point is that we overload creativity in our midfield, Pogba + Kovacic + our wingers does that.

We work by scoring the one clear chance we actually get, but we don't get many clear chances, we create lots of half chances, so either we have players who can do something out of nothing(Costa was good at that) or we create a style of play that allows us to move oppositions. We don't look like scoring despite all our possession vs the park the bus teams.

I hate Alonso man, all I want is a LWB who can do a give and go and pass progressively. Chilwell obviously does that but he's injured.

Azpi needs to go man, having an absolute shocker today. Chalobah really doesn't get a break, this is reminding me too much of Tomori and it's triggering. I don't think just going for experience is the way to handle playing out of poor form. Also imagine Azpilicueta or Christensen vs Diaz in the FA cup final, I don't want to imagine.

Watching today I don't think the strikers are at fault at all. In fact I think they've done quite well even though they haven't scored. The supply into them is poor frankly.

Reply 1362

Lukaku with 2 goals. Good game from him today.

Two goals out of nothing/opposition mistakes than good play from the team though. Not convinced at all, it's just a game where we keep it tight and exploit mistakes rather than play well.

We're turning on the screws now though.

Reece James is really ****ing good.

Reply 1363

Pulisic's passing is pretty awful. Honestly he's just a dribbler with pace. Havertz or Ziyech would make those passes bang on the money imo.

Reply 1364

deserved. Pulisic has been awful today and we did not manage this game at all. Also what's the point of Sarr. Don't get why we didn't just swap Chalobah for Azpi and play him in midfield or something.

Why do we suck at the final pass?

Reply 1365

Do you guys reckon we'll beat Liverpool in the FA cup final?

Reply 1366

Anyway we have a supply problem into our main striker(I don't classify Timo as a striker, more a second striker) but him and Pulisic were ****ing dog **** today.

Lukaku scoring goals from nothing but gets ridiculed by the fanbase when it's not just his fault and is a fault of the way we create chances.

Azpi still playing games when he's Ivanovic 15/16 level is also criminal.

Sarr lmao, just ****ing why man. Basically Zouma with less defensive ability. Although won't blame him but someones gotta go for that cross and he's the left back giving them ample space and time to whip it straight to Coady.

Chalobah should be starting for us but Tuchel is doing this 'lets go for experience' crap, same thing Lamps did with Tomori. Sick of this. Getting raided on counters with pace but we have a deep lying playmaker at CB who has pace to calm things down. They definitely had an argument or something. It's funny because at half time Azpilicueta was moved to RWB because he was struggling for pace and was on a yellow but he does nothing going forward, we got our goals from opposition mistakes.

Also gotta say Silva struggles when he's being stretched, his positioning allows this to not be that much of a problem but constantly you can see he's putting in absolutely everything to time a challenge when he's facing someone 1 vs 1 when someone like Walker or Rudiger players don't even bother trying to 1 vs 1 them because they're never gonna win the footrace.

Reply 1367

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by Dully2003
Do you guys reckon we'll beat Liverpool in the FA cup final?

Would be a very Chelsea thing to do, I have a feeling we'll win.

I think as long as Kanté is fit and Azpi does not start(because he'll be facing Luiz Diaz and that's going to go only one way and not our way) we good. Whether Havertz or Lukaku starts is either or because the gameplan is going to be to pass the ball into space anyway which suits both of them. Werner probably still starts for me due to the stretching of his runs and making space for others.

There's gotta be something more with regards to the team selections, either players not fully fit or people annoying Tuchel in training, I don't understand why Chalobah does not get a game and gets castigated for mistakes when Azpi and Christensen were making mistakes for multiple weeks at a time and still playing regularly.
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Reply 1368

Thank God for Wolves! Let's go gunners :wink:

Reply 1369

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by bj27
The entire point is that we overload creativity in our midfield, Pogba + Kovacic + our wingers does that.

We work by scoring the one clear chance we actually get, but we don't get many clear chances, we create lots of half chances, so either we have players who can do something out of nothing(Costa was good at that) or we create a style of play that allows us to move oppositions. We don't look like scoring despite all our possession vs the park the bus teams.

I hate Alonso man, all I want is a LWB who can do a give and go and pass progressively. Chilwell obviously does that but he's injured.

Azpi needs to go man, having an absolute shocker today. Chalobah really doesn't get a break, this is reminding me too much of Tomori and it's triggering. I don't think just going for experience is the way to handle playing out of poor form. Also imagine Azpilicueta or Christensen vs Diaz in the FA cup final, I don't want to imagine.

Watching today I don't think the strikers are at fault at all. In fact I think they've done quite well even though they haven't scored. The supply into them is poor frankly.


That's fair but then the problem is you're massively overestimating Pogba to fill that role imo. The guy will give you a wonder game once every 5 games but he'll ghost the rest. We can hope it's just United's system holding him back since that team turns anyone to ****.

Yeah with Christensen and Rudi most likely leaving, an ageing Silva and Azpi with this shambolic form the past few games, we might need 2 new CBs. Alonso's only ability is to score volleys or half volleys with his left at the far post. The guy has no other attributes. It's so easy to see when the team channels the ball to the right and into James. You rarely ever see anything come from the left since Chillwell got injured.

Reply 1370

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by Fenneko
Thank God for Wolves! Let's go gunners :wink:

Cute

Reply 1371

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by GrandMedic
Cute

In all seriousness, how likely do you think it is that Arsenal could get 3rd? Chelsea's form atm is really bad.

Reply 1372

Original post
by GrandMedic
That's fair but then the problem is you're massively overestimating Pogba to fill that role imo. The guy will give you a wonder game once every 5 games but he'll ghost the rest. We can hope it's just United's system holding him back since that team turns anyone to ****.

Yeah with Christensen and Rudi most likely leaving, an ageing Silva and Azpi with this shambolic form the past few games, we might need 2 new CBs. Alonso's only ability is to score volleys or half volleys with his left at the far post. The guy has no other attributes. It's so easy to see when the team channels the ball to the right and into James. You rarely ever see anything come from the left since Chillwell got injured.

I think Pogba would be perfect, same way that Fabregas was perfect, we don't need the defensive stability, we need to be able to break these sit back and counter teams down, Pogba doesn't need to start big games, Kante + Kovacic would suffice there but we have an issue against the mid table sides breaking them down. I think we need one creative midfielder for that. Take it this way Lukaku has an excellent game today but we still have issues creating chances and putting teams to bed, we could have scored 5 today but we scored 2. It's not as simple as buy a striker. Our issue is with the final pass, but the final pass is easier if we can transition better vs the park the bus sides.

Also with our defenders going/ageing and us not knowing if the defence can be improved upon with signings, I think we should focus on how we create chances. Today e.g. Rudiger was busy making the Luis style passes but surely that's also a job for our midfielders.

United have a similar problem where they can't attack on the right because Wan Bissaka was playing there. Our fullback situation is awful when you consider that we sold Livramento and Lamptey, as well as loaning Emerson, all for us to be using Alonso, a CM and Sarr there instead.

Another thing is that Lukaku runs the channels and likes the ball into space but we take ages to transition so he's often complaining that the ball wasn't given into him early enough.

Reply 1373

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by Fenneko
In all seriousness, how likely do you think it is that Arsenal could get 3rd? Chelsea's form atm is really bad.

Possible but rest of the league games don't matter to us. You're facing Spurs soon so maybe lock top 4 first.

Reply 1374

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by bj27
I think Pogba would be perfect, same way that Fabregas was perfect, we don't need the defensive stability, we need to be able to break these sit back and counter teams down, Pogba doesn't need to start big games, Kante + Kovacic would suffice there but we have an issue against the mid table sides breaking them down. I think we need one creative midfielder for that. Take it this way Lukaku has an excellent game today but we still have issues creating chances and putting teams to bed, we could have scored 5 today but we scored 2. It's not as simple as buy a striker. Our issue is with the final pass, but the final pass is easier if we can transition better vs the park the bus sides.

Also with our defenders going/ageing and us not knowing if the defence can be improved upon with signings, I think we should focus on how we create chances. Today e.g. Rudiger was busy making the Luis style passes but surely that's also a job for our midfielders.

United have a similar problem where they can't attack on the right because Wan Bissaka was playing there. Our fullback situation is awful when you consider that we sold Livramento and Lamptey, as well as loaning Emerson, all for us to be using Alonso, a CM and Sarr there instead.

Another thing is that Lukaku runs the channels and likes the ball into space but we take ages to transition so he's often complaining that the ball wasn't given into him early enough.

I can agree with you on that. Though creating chances is usually less of a problem when everyone's fit.

Lukaku however is going to need to get on a good run of form before I even get my hopes up.

Reply 1375

In any case, unless we're getting certain proven strikers(which is funny because that's literally what Lukaku is, a 20 goal a season PL striker) then I don't see the point of wasting the budget on that.

I miss Hazard. Bring him back because the decision making of our creative players is 0/10.

Reply 1376

Just a reminder that Lukaku was more expensive than Halland

Reply 1377

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by GrandMedic
Just a reminder that Lukaku was more expensive than Halland


A couple of points:

- Haaland had a release clause hence going for that fee otherwise Dortmund would've insisted on over 100mil
- Haaland will only turn 22 this summer and he's played in Norway, Austria and Germany. No doubt he is a talent but still unproven to the premier league (though I expect him to smash it)
- Lukaku was sold at the prime of his career at 28 and had already done it in England and shown he is a consistent goalscorer

Reply 1378

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by GrandMedic
Just a reminder that Lukaku was more expensive than Halland

I know, well I said already I'd rather have havertz for another year and try for Haaland, Broja having a solid season for Southampton and Abraham having a good season for Roma only further solidifies my point.

I hope people don't come up with the nonsense that we are only a striker away, we've had quality strikers but they don't work in the system. We're stuck with Lukaku anyway for now.

Reply 1379

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by bj27
I know, well I said already I'd rather have havertz for another year and try for Haaland, Broja having a solid season for Southampton and Abraham having a good season for Roma only further solidifies my point.

I hope people don't come up with the nonsense that we are only a striker away, we've had quality strikers but they don't work in the system. We're stuck with Lukaku anyway for now.

The other problem is that time passes and then other cracks appear in the squad.

Last summer everyone thought you needed a striker and Lukaku would be the final piece.

This summer, there are question marks over Kante, Saul will presumably return to Atletico and then Rudiger and Christensen leave on frees and possibly Azpi leaves too so then you need a bunch of new defenders and maybe a midfielder or two as well.

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