Uganda Anti-Homosexuality bill: Ugandan President signs said bill into law

What are your thoughts on the 2014 one then?

I think that this 2023 bill hasn't been fully drafted yet hence why it's not the Ugandan gov website.

i mean what is there to say. it's vile. you might need to ask me a more specific question.

What has "been going on in America" then?

In America and the West, homosexuality has become more of a sociopolitical movement rather than just something people do in the privacy of their bedrooms. This movement has expanded beyond just asking for tolerance, protection from bullying and discrimination and the respecting of human rights. It is now promoting homosexuality in education, the media and other areas of the public sphere as a social norm, and seeking to remove heteronormativity from the culture and structure of society.

Contrast that with something like polyamory, which is still a lifestyle that people partake in (completely legally), but isn't having anywhere near the same social and cultural impact in the public sphere. Hardly anyone is calling for the state to officially recognise polygamous marriages. You don't really see kids' books making it a point to depict families with three parents: a daddy and his two wives. Netflix and Disney don't seem to be making it a point to casually include "throuples" in their shows. Hardly anyone knows what a polyamory pride flag looks like etc.

That's because polyamory is a bit embarassing, and also not a sexual orientation.

Why would that make a difference? Homosexuality was once considered "embarrassing" as well.

Anyway the point is, Uganda isn't criminalising homosexuality per se. But it does seem to be trying to avoid the rise of a sociopolitical movement off the back of it.

Polyamory is just different, can't you see that?

Uganda is criminalising homosexuality, like, it just did.

Maybe if you'd care to elaborate?

To clarify: it is not a crime in Uganda to be attracted to members of the same sex.

Sure. Polyamory is a choice and therefore a 'lifestyle' (in your words). Homosexuality is not. As in, people don't choose it, it is just how their sexuality turned out.

Attraction to multiple people isn't a choice. Participation in a sexual relationship with multiple people is.
Similarly, even if attraction to a member of the same sex isn't a choice, participation in a sexual relationship with them is.

You haven't really pointed out what the difference is.

It isn't about how many people you're attracted to. Homosexuality is about the basic orientation of your desire itself, whether it's toward men or women.

Why would that make a difference? Homosexuality was once considered "embarrassing" as well.

Anyway the point is, Uganda isn't criminalising homosexuality per se. But it does seem to be trying to avoid the rise of a sociopolitical movement off the back of it.

Can't see how this bill does anything but criminalising homosexuality.

Life in prison for stating your gay or being persecuted for being gay is legit the dictionary definition of criminalising homosexuality.

Homosexuality means “attraction to members of the same sex”. It’s not a crime to be attracted to members of the same sex.

But yes, many of the subsequent things that might result from homosexuality are criminalised.

Polyamory is just different, can't you see that?

Uganda is criminalising homosexuality, like, it just did. Are you ok?

If you identify as gay or spread LGBTQ stuff or partake in Gay activity then you could face prison time or persecution, that's criminalising homosexuality 101. Hence why the statement "Uganda isn't criminalising homosexuality per se. " is false.

Homosexuality means “attraction to members of the same sex”. It’s not a crime to be attracted to members of the same sex.

But yes, many of the subsequent things that might result from homosexuality are criminalised.