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Education system is a mess?

Is our education system a mess?

Schools are obsessed with grades and league tables, exams are a waste of time because they are an inaccurate way of assessing students. They should be abolished because they fail to prepare us for the world of work.

Then there's maths. A core subject like maths should focus on real life skills in accounting and finance not the scientific stuff we never use. That's not maths it's science and it shouldn't be compulsory to study something we don't use on a daily basis
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Original post by TSR2003
Is our education system a mess?

Schools are obsessed with grades and league tables, exams are a waste of time because they are an inaccurate way of assessing students. They should be abolished because they fail to prepare us for the world of work.

Then there's maths. A core subject like maths should focus on real life skills in accounting and finance not the scientific stuff we never use. That's not maths it's science and it shouldn't be compulsory to study something we don't use on a daily basis

What should schools focus on? What alternative to exams are you proposing? There are many alternatives to A levels which place a much greater emphasis on coursework - BTECs being the obvious example. How you feel about those?

I agree with you about Maths. The vast majority of students won't use trigonometry (to pick a random example) once they've finished their GCSEs, yet aren't taught about tax, mortgages, budgeting, insurance, etc. - all of which involve maths and all of which are much more likely to be relevant to them in the real world. Having said that, there's not much maths involved in those topics.
Original post by DataVenia
What should schools focus on? What alternative to exams are you proposing? There are many alternatives to A levels which place a much greater emphasis on coursework - BTECs being the obvious example. How you feel about those?

I agree with you about Maths. The vast majority of students won't use trigonometry (to pick a random example) once they've finished their GCSEs, yet aren't taught about tax, mortgages, budgeting, insurance, etc. - all of which involve maths and all of which are much more likely to be relevant to them in the real world. Having said that, there's not much maths involved in those topics.


Well I did a levels and I don't feel like I learnt much useful. I think btecs allow you to understand things more but the problem is they are looked down on in society. For some reason people who do Btecs are perceived to be less intelligent than a level students (not my opinion). But all a levels do is test your memory not how much you know of the subject.
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Original post by TSR2003
Is our education system a mess?

Schools are obsessed with grades and league tables, exams are a waste of time because they are an inaccurate way of assessing students. They should be abolished because they fail to prepare us for the world of work.

Then there's maths. A core subject like maths should focus on real life skills in accounting and finance not the scientific stuff we never use. That's not maths it's science and it shouldn't be compulsory to study something we don't use on a daily basis

a lot of core subjects are to just get people to understand basic stuff in my opinion and not become super ignorant in the future like a lot of conspiracy believers like flat-earthers are usually previously-low-attainers. They're also to help people who may specialise in that subject in the future since not everyone knows what they want to be by 15/16 and it's never set in stone what you'll become and if they didn't know for example basic biology that'd mess up a lot of their degree and probably need to do 1/2 extra years which would become 6-8 years instead of the usual 4-6 years of a degree. I agree that exam's aren't the best but there's not a lot of alternatives besides coursework based qualifications. I agree with other commenters about a-lvls being seen as superior when they really aren't and I believe it's because they're mainly more exam-based than BTEC. If you don't want to do exams, then t-levels are good but exams work for a lot of people although the way they're graded and worded is very unfair especially in GCSEs and A-Levels.
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The Education System honestly isnt a mess it's just comes down to the school but I can agree with exams are an unfair assessment of someones understanding of a topic. But honestly they are the easiest option god forbid I'm tested through experiments, studies and presentations like they do in America it's much easier to learn content and learn how to apply it to the questions.
Original post by TSR2003

Then there's maths. A core subject like maths should focus on real life skills in accounting and finance not the scientific stuff we never use. That's not maths it's science and it shouldn't be compulsory to study something we don't use on a daily basis


This is such a myopic view. Aside from giving those children who go on to study STEM degrees or work in STEM professions the foundational maths they need, maths at school develops the problem solving and reasoning abilities of all children.

Being able to think in the abstract, spot patterns, etc. are vital skills that we use on a daily basis and should be developed in school.
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Original post by TSR2003
Is our education system a mess?

Schools are obsessed with grades and league tables, exams are a waste of time because they are an inaccurate way of assessing students. They should be abolished because they fail to prepare us for the world of work.

Then there's maths. A core subject like maths should focus on real life skills in accounting and finance not the scientific stuff we never use. That's not maths it's science and it shouldn't be compulsory to study something we don't use on a daily basis


YES somebody else thinks like me !!!!

BUT A LEVELS DON'T EVEN TEACH YOU TO STUDY OR LIKE A SUBJECT. THEY ARE A WAY TO INDOCTRINATE STUDENTS.

just my opinion.

then again, I might be a little paranoid.
Original post by umazuk
YES somebody else thinks like me !!!!

BUT A LEVELS DON'T EVEN TEACH YOU TO STUDY OR LIKE A SUBJECT. THEY ARE A WAY TO INDOCTRINATE STUDENTS.

just my opinion.

then again, I might be a little paranoid.

you are insane lol. i saw that other post of yours which you deleted where you suddenly went on a tirade about getting good GCSE grades and saying you "did so few GCSEs" (after listing 9) because you got a thousand surgeries. out of nowhere. nobody was even talking about GCSEs
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Original post by historyhater
you are insane lol. i saw that other post of yours which you deleted where you suddenly went on a tirade about getting good GCSE grades and saying you "did so few GCSEs" (after listing 9) because you got a thousand surgeries. out of nowhere. nobody was even talking about GCSEs


lol i'm just a workaholic i know i have a drug problem
Original post by umazuk
lol i'm just a workaholic i know i have a drug problem


what?
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Original post by historyhater
what?


nevermind
you a peculiar critter bro
Original post by umazuk
nevermind
Original post by Crazed cat lady
This is such a myopic view. Aside from giving those children who go on to study STEM degrees or work in STEM professions the foundational maths they need, maths at school develops the problem solving and reasoning abilities of all children.

Being able to think in the abstract, spot patterns, etc. are vital skills that we use on a daily basis and should be developed in school.


Honestly I'd argue that this is why Maths is the most important subject that is taught in school.
At A-level and below sure, at university level? Nope.
Original post by christhrall
Best way to compete with India and China? Stop bombarding our schoolkids with gay black history and focus on Maths.

Yes but I always found maths difficult. I struggled with GCSE maths because I've never understood the subject. To be honest, it's a pretty useless subject. The only maths that needs to be taught is accounting and finance, none of that algebra nonsense.
Original post by Talkative Toad
At A-level and below sure, at university level? Nope.

I guess but I never went to university and don't have a degree so I wouldn't know about higher education. University never appealed to me.
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Teenagers are messed up and gcse actually makes you somewhat normal try to change my mind
This argument again.

If your plan goes through, we would have a terrible education system that barely prepares anyone for anything.

Take maths for example. Ignoring the fact most of the everyday sort of maths is taught, if we didn't teach trigonometry or statistics, then you are immediately closing off tons of careers for our young people. How is that a good education?

A good education system should keep many doors open as long as possible. Who knows what career a child might want to do? That child probably doesn't, which is why it is important to teach them the basics in a wide range of subjects to give them the best chances in life rather than closing every door within the first few years of their education.
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Original post by TSR2003
Yes but I always found maths difficult. I struggled with GCSE maths because I've never understood the subject. To be honest, it's a pretty useless subject. The only maths that needs to be taught is accounting and finance, none of that algebra nonsense.


simple solution study it. If that doesn't work than you just aren't a maths person and you should buy a tutor
When you get to the real world, you will most likely need all the maths you learned in school.

At work when a colleague went to measure a house for me he forgot some of the measurement but by using Pythagorus was able to work out the size if certain rooms.

I never thought I'd use pythagorus.

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