[Official thread] Hamas-Israel Conflict

I mean neither Palestine nor HAMAS are going to defeat Israel and wipe it off the map, and anyone who genuinely thinks so is beyond deluded. So long as Palestinians keep fighting for this fantasy there will continue to be bloodshed, a two-state solution is what's needed.

I mean neither Palestine nor HAMAS are going to defeat Israel and wipe it off the map, and anyone who genuinely thinks so is beyond deluded. So long as Palestinians keep fighting for this fantasy there will continue to be bloodshed, a two-state solution is what's needed.

A policy Isreal is fine with but Palastine is not.

Issue is, the world cannot sit round a table to discuss their issues. For example, the IRA wanted a united independent Ireland while there were disagreements, you can imagine all sides sitting down to discuss this.

Hamas wants the destruction of the state of Israel, their way of life and its people. Its pretty hard to sit at a table with people who want nothing more to see you dead.

Realistically a two state solution will never happen, so whether it is in 10 years or 50 or 100, eventually Israel will cease to exist as a state. That doesn't mean Palestine will exist as a nation state but more likely will be absorbed into a pan-Arab/Islamic state.

The terrorist strikes by hamas is nothing more than that. The same as the terrorist war by russia in ukraine.

I don't believe it's likely at all Israel will cease to be a state, it's only been gaining territory for more than 50 years and far outstrips virtually every Arab and Muslim state in the Middle East militarily and technologically, as well as receiving plenty of Western support...

Western support is the only thing that gives it strength, otherwise due to sheer numbers it would be overwhelmed by the Arab world. Only it's nuclear deterrent might give it a shot at life assuming that the surrounding nations weren't willing to take the risk

Etc

Bunch of photos without context. Okay what's your point?

Calling Israelis "colonials" is a joke. Bore off.

Does anyone here really think that if the Palestinians had access to the same military superiority as Israel does that Israel would currently exist?
Not saying I condone everything Israel has done through the years, and their current government isn't exactly ideal, but I'd struggle to name a more Westernised country in the Middle East.

Whereas Hamas are little better than ISIS, certainly judging by the recent terrorist attacks.

Calling Israelis "colonials" is a joke. Bore off.

Why does "Westernised" mean "better"? You are basically advocating colonialism by saying "our system is better and more civilised than their system so it is okay to displace the locals". Neo-colonialism is a disease.

Hamas did not exist till Israel existed, and Jews were sheltered on the most part by the Muslims in Muslim majority lands throughout history because of the Western expulsions, pogroms and oppression they faced in Europe. The West drove the Jews out and now want to pretend they are the bastions of civlity. It is only because of the wedges created by Western imperialism such as dividing the Arab world, supporting dictators, shadow ops, creating and supporting Israel etc, that a hostile environment now exists for Jews in the Middle East

What sort of damned culture brainwashes and raises their kids to take part in events like this?

I'm not an authority on the matter either, and usually I stay far away from this debate. It is too complex and would be far too time consuming for me to do a good job of it. However, I've not seen even any semblance of proof that Israel at any point barged into Palestine in order to deliberately target and kidnap civilians and then parade a corpse of a naked girl with broken legs through their streets.

If someone can show me proof of that, perhaps I'll change my mind. Were there skirmishes between Israel and Palestine, where more Palestinians got hurt as a result of collateral damage? I'm sure there were. This is not the same as deliberately targeting civilians, however.

Other things I've seen: videos of kids (10 to 18 in age) in Palestine crowding around the cars with hostages in them, chanting "Allah Hu Akbar". What sort of damned culture brainwashes and raises their kids to take part in events like this? Wtf. This doesn't inspire any sympathy in me either.

this hamas attack?
I saw protests for some reason against Benjamin Netanyah a month or two ago. I read it was about judicial reforms but why were people getting so upset that they were on the streets about it and who do they represent?

There was even some recently.



https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-protests-netanyahus-arrive-in-middle-of-the-night-for-golan-heights-vacation/