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Anti-Zionism = Anti Semitism
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silentrevolution
You're fooling noone. Almost the whole world is against Israel. Carter said that their policies are equivalent to apartheid, and this is well supported
It's really very simple. There is war because Israel is occupying territory because it says it has a religious justification to do so, hence discriminating against other religions.
It's really very simple. There is war because Israel is occupying territory because it says it has a religious justification to do so, hence discriminating against other religions.
steed999
Desmund Tutu http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1957644.stm
Carter and Tutu are both known anti-Semites. Tutu has spoken of a 'Jewish lobby' and Carter makes it his priority to single out Jews for criticism time and time again. Nice neutral sources there.
Time and time again two-state solutions have been offered and nearly achieved. But as soon as there is an agreement, the Palestinians have unfortunately resorted to terror. When there is a full and unconditional agreement on both sides there will be two states. Not a second before. The terror unleashed by Hamas will only serve to postpone the creation of a Palestinian state.
hahahah are you kidding me? you are a complete joke. Every time they come up with a 2 state solution israel mucks up. You talk about Palestinians causing terrorism to stop it happening yet look at the last time an agreement was reache! it was between arafat and Rabin and the terrorist that ruined the deal was a zionist that killed Rabin. Even Hamas will accept Israel based on 1967 borders but the Israelis fail to give back stolen land. And now with the new right wing regime there is no hope on the side of the Israelis because they do not believe in a 2 state solution, only increased settlement expansion! Oh and your forgetting, Hamas have only been around for less then 6 years, Israel has been occupying and killing for more than 60 years!
hahahah are you kidding me? you are a complete joke. Every time they come up with a 2 state solution israel mucks up. You talk about Palestinians causing terrorism to stop it happening yet look at the last time an agreement was reache! it was between arafat and Rabin and the terrorist that ruined the deal was a zionist that killed Rabin. Even Hamas will accept Israel based on 1967 borders but the Israelis fail to give back stolen land. And now with the new right wing regime there is no hope on the side of the Israelis because they do not believe in a 2 state solution, only increased settlement expansion! Oh and your forgetting, Hamas have only been around for less then 6 years, Israel has been occupying and killing for more than 60 years!
Prefernottosay
Arabs in Israel have more rights than in any other country in the mid-east. They have full rights to movement, free-speech, create political parties. There are arab judges, policemen, politicians, doctors etc. etc.
Missing the point.
Not talking about what rights arabs have IN ISRAEL, that's not the issue, talking about what rights they have to self-determination in Greater Palestine, and also occupied states.
coren111
Carter and Tutu are both known anti-Semites. Tutu has spoken of a 'Jewish lobby' and Carter makes it his priority to single out Jews for criticism time and time again. Nice neutral sources there.
Talking about a Jewish Lobby does not make one an antisemite, especially if you are refering to something like the ADL, for then it is simply a statement of fact.
coren111
Carter and Tutu are both known anti-Semites. Tutu has spoken of a 'Jewish lobby' and Carter makes it his priority to single out Jews for criticism time and time again. Nice neutral sources there.
do you know what you do when accuse people of being anti semetic when they denounce or criticize Israel?. You make more people dislike you because you cant accept criticism. Talking about a Jewish lobby is not anti semetic because it exists! Ever heard of AIPAC darling? In fact you yourself are making yourself look like an idiot when you completely deny the fact that israel is committing violations against human rights!
silentrevolution
The country does not act at all like it belongs to the UN, it ignores loads of its resolutions.
If that was the case most countries in the world would not be part of the UN
amelia.x
What is Zionism?
Belief or political ideology that Jews should have a homeland (most often in Israel but not necessarily).
What is racism?
Singling out or discriminating against one religion or race.
By accepting that Muslims can have homelands (and they have several such as Iran and Saudi Arabia which are Islamic countries) and denying Jews the same right, this is racism - discriminating against one religion.
However, criticism of Israel (provided it's existence is not questioned) is not anti-Zionist and thus not anti-Semitic. For example, saying that Israel acted too aggressively during the Gaza conflict is perfectly acceptable (and is a view shared by many Jews and Israelis). This does not question the core meaning of Zionism. Saying that Jews shouldn't have a homeland but saying that Muslims should have a homeland is racist.
Either call for the elimination of homelands of all religions (and wipe Iran, Saudi Arabia et al off the map) or allow at least one nation as a homeland per religion. Anything else is racist.
Belief or political ideology that Jews should have a homeland (most often in Israel but not necessarily).
What is racism?
Singling out or discriminating against one religion or race.
By accepting that Muslims can have homelands (and they have several such as Iran and Saudi Arabia which are Islamic countries) and denying Jews the same right, this is racism - discriminating against one religion.
However, criticism of Israel (provided it's existence is not questioned) is not anti-Zionist and thus not anti-Semitic. For example, saying that Israel acted too aggressively during the Gaza conflict is perfectly acceptable (and is a view shared by many Jews and Israelis). This does not question the core meaning of Zionism. Saying that Jews shouldn't have a homeland but saying that Muslims should have a homeland is racist.
Either call for the elimination of homelands of all religions (and wipe Iran, Saudi Arabia et al off the map) or allow at least one nation as a homeland per religion. Anything else is racist.
Jews have many homelands, America, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Brazil...
I could go on.
Everyone has the right to live somewhere, as an individual. However psuedo-racial/religious groups do not have the right to decide where they intend to live and then push out the natives by violence, as was the case for Israel.
Moreover, Israel doesn't recognise the right of the Palestinian people to have a state, and when they elect a government that Israel doesn't like it is attacked. How can you demand a homeland for 'Jews' (indeed I could just as easily say Israel was the Christian homeland as Jesus was born there and invade Israel) when Israel refuses to recognise that same thing to the Palestinian people.
Not only that, the refusal of the US and Israel (and ONLY the US and Israel) is the one reason why there cannot be peace in Israel. Israel wants to maintain the right to expand and eventually conquer all of the Gaza Strip and West Bank, and actively denies a two-state solution.
coren111
Carter and Tutu are both known anti-Semites. Tutu has spoken of a 'Jewish lobby' and Carter makes it his priority to single out Jews for criticism time and time again. Nice neutral sources there.
Carter was incredibly clear about what he said, and I have never seen a source of him criticising Jews. He doesn"t even say Israel shouldn"t exist. All he complains about, from what I"ve seen, is the repeated breaches of human rights by the Israelis in occupied Palestinian territory. This frankly should hardly be a controversial or radical stance.
coren111
Carter and Tutu are both known anti-Semites. Tutu has spoken of a 'Jewish lobby' and Carter makes it his priority to single out Jews for criticism time and time again. Nice neutral sources there.
Oh and your forgetting, Hamas have only been around for less then 6 years, Israel has been occupying and killing for more than 60 years!
This merely shows your ignorance concerning hamas. They have been around since the 80's, when they were not yet a political entity. They used suicide bombings, shootings, murder, abduction as their prefered methods. When you claim 'they have only been around for 6 years' you just make yourself look like an idiot as you clearly prove how you have no idea about anything.
If al-quaida formed a political party with bin-laden as president and vowed to destroy the west, would you say they were 'democratically elected' and deserved to be respected and tolerated? No, so why should hamas?
This merely shows your ignorance concerning hamas. They have been around since the 80's, when they were not yet a political entity. They used suicide bombings, shootings, murder, abduction as their prefered methods. When you claim 'they have only been around for 6 years' you just make yourself look like an idiot as you clearly prove how you have no idea about anything.
If al-quaida formed a political party with bin-laden as president and vowed to destroy the west, would you say they were 'democratically elected' and deserved to be respected and tolerated? No, so why should hamas?
coren111
If you are implying that Jews conspire in order to further their own interests (akin to the Protocols) you certainly are an anti-Semite.
HAHA
What a leap. Allow me to introduce some subtlety to your sweeping statement.
Firstly the ADL exists, it is made up of Jews, and it lobbies. It sends letters, it has influence etc. Unless you can prove otherwise.
Never mentioned the Protocols, that has nothing to do with Tutu's claim, but hey it might have been a nice way of making me out to be some kind of NeoNazi for criticising Israel. The ADL do that a lot.
And these are just statements of fact. They don't even contain a value judgement. How could you say that I was anti something if I just mentioned it.
Then ask what anti-semitism actually is. What is a semite? Is it a Jew? Are all Jews semitic?
coren111
If you are implying that Jews conspire in order to further their own interests (akin to the Protocols) you certainly are an anti-Semite.
No, not at all. There is a substantial, very real and very open Jewish lobby in the US. They openly campaign on behalf of Israel. By your logic everyone is an anti-semite because this lobby does, quite openly, exist.
Here's an article about one such organisation. In the Telegraph anti-semitic for printing this? Or is the group itself anti-semitic for admitting its own existence?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/5178883/US-Jewish-lobby-challenged-by--pro-peace-rival.html
coren111
If you are implying that Jews conspire in order to further their own interests (akin to the Protocols) you certainly are an anti-Semite.
ffs
To be anti-Semitic you have to discriminate against Jews. I can"t see where that"s happening when you allow that there is a very powerful Jewish lobby which exists...if you don"t accept that then you might as well ignore the bus in front of you when crossing the road. Facts are facts...
farhan
No they are not anti-Semites, this is just your way of discrediting them because they criticise Israel. Stop this nonsense.
Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic, but they are. End of story.
Lol don't even start with "you aren't allowed to criticise Jews".
Criticise Islam or even draw a cartoon of Mohammed and you get killed.
Why do some people who criticise Israel using labels such as: 'Nazi Israel', 'the Nazi Germany of the 21st century', 'the second Holocaust', etc, then complain when you refer to them as anti-Semitic?
You are being anti-Semitic when you specifically choose to compare Israel to Nazi Germany. There are an array of horrible regimes in history (and modern times) to choose from yet they pick 1940's Germany.
You are being anti-Semitic when you specifically choose to compare Israel to Nazi Germany. There are an array of horrible regimes in history (and modern times) to choose from yet they pick 1940's Germany.
Callum828
No, not at all. There is a substantial, very real and very open Jewish lobby in the US. They openly campaign on behalf of Israel. By your logic everyone is an anti-semite because this lobby does, quite openly, exist.
Here's an article about one such organisation. In the Telegraph anti-semitic for printing this? Or is the group itself anti-semitic for admitting its own existence?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/5178883/US-Jewish-lobby-challenged-by--pro-peace-rival.html
Here's an article about one such organisation. In the Telegraph anti-semitic for printing this? Or is the group itself anti-semitic for admitting its own existence?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/5178883/US-Jewish-lobby-challenged-by--pro-peace-rival.html
You haven't read the article. By Jewish lobby it means organisation that promotes Jewish ideas/values. Like every single synagogue, church, mosque, school, football team etc Jews do have groups supporting them. That is different to saying the Jews control Western governments to further their aims.
coren111
You haven't read the article. By Jewish lobby it means organisation that promotes Jewish ideas/values. Like every single synagogue, church, mosque, school, football team etc Jews do have groups supporting them. That is different to saying the Jews control Western governments to further their aims.
He never said that. He said that Jewish organisations like this one lobby the US government (extremely effectively) to promote the aims of Israel. You then compared him to the authors of the protocols.
I did, in fact, read the article that I was quoting lol.
Prefernottosay
This merely shows your ignorance concerning hamas. They have been around since the 80's, when they were not yet a political entity. They used suicide bombings, shootings, murder, abduction as their prefered methods. When you claim 'they have only been around for 6 years' you just make yourself look like an idiot as you clearly prove how you have no idea about anything.
If al-quaida formed a political party with bin-laden as president and vowed to destroy the west, would you say they were 'democratically elected' and deserved to be respected and tolerated? No, so why should hamas?
i was talking about Hamas being in political power! I know they were founded in like 86/87. you talk about suicide bombings, shooting, murder abduction yet these are all tactics adopted by Israelis at far greater rates (apart from suicide bombs, they use billions dollars worth of military equipment, far more deadly)! You fail to mention the 11000 imprisoned without trial including children, ethnic only villages, handicapped more people per capita then any other nation, assassinated more people per capita then any other nation, destructed more homes per capita than any other nation ect, and you claim my ignorance!
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